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Mrs Ana

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Something that I forgot to mention on my earlier posts is the fact that any actions that are carried out by Forum Moderators are always subject to a Jagex Moderator's check. Given that fact, as soon as an F-Mod applies a "misleading" tag to a thread, the OP has the ability to report such actions to FMR. So, even though it was mentioned that J-Mods were not going to be involved and if they were, it'd only be at their discretion, this is simply not the case. As soon as a report is made to FMR regarding an F-Mod's action to apply a "misleading" tag, you will have Mod Kari check the report at her earliest convenience.

This is something that was not mentioned before so, unfortunately, we are adding more work for the Jagex Moderators. It's inconceivable to think that OPs are not going to report Forum Moderators after they have tagged their thread as "misleading". As of right now, Forum Moderators are already extremely scrutinized, so imagine if they were to have the ability to label your thread "misleading" at their own discretion. That's just adding more fuel to the fire.

At its current state, if a Forum Moderator sees a thread with misleading details/information, they are more than welcome to either hide the post(s) containing such content and/or lock the thread entirely. If they do not wish to interfere, then they have the ability to summon a CM to take care of the issue at hand. I have seen cases where F-Mods refrain from actioning a thread to allow a CM to step in. As always, even with a CM's action, a player is able to dispute whatever the F-Mod and/or CM did to FMR.

So, my question for you is: Why add a "misleading" tag when it's already possible to deal with such circumstances as is? Why make the Web Team lose focus on their other important projects to implement a "misleading" tag that's unnecessary and that its purpose is already carried out by F-Mods/CMs/J-Mods? Why add more work for J-Mods when the OP disputes an F-Mod's tag being added to their thread?

15-Oct-2020 14:48:23

Mrs Ana

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Theos said :
I just wanted to clarify, F-Mods do not have to moderate the forums and the role is entirely voluntary. There's no set expectation as far as activity, or moderating. An F-Mod can choose to engage with the community in discussions, if they prefer. I'm an F-Mod who personally prefers to engage in discussions with other forumers and I have a very "laid back" moderating approach. I think Jagex respects the nature of the voluntary role, and they're very flexible in understanding that the F-Mod role "isn't a job" and they're appreciative of us helping out with moderating and/or engaging in discussions whenever we can. We don't have to respond to FH reports, or moderate the forums at all. Jagex, on the other hand along with the CM Mods have a contractual obligation to moderate the forums and/or engage in Jagex's platforms. ;) Ah, just saw this. Thanks for confirming what was repeatedly mentioned before ^_^ .

15-Oct-2020 16:51:05

Dilbert2001
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2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Again "misleading" only means misleading but not "A TROLL" just as the "bug" label in Reddit doesn't necessarily mean the "bug" is really a bug.
So in essence we are back here ...
2_Tron said :
RuneScape is a project that is 'under construction 24/7 ... 365 days a year continuously throughout time.
The Internet likewise is always under construction 24/7 ... 365 days a year continuously throughout time.

Altogether what happens today and will possibly happen tomorrow will never be set in stone as it is 'uncertain/unpredictable', even when we speak it could be and might be changing.

So any attempt to make a clear picture out of it or predict what will happen is almost impossible to do, even for Jagex/JMods themselves
as things keep shifting all the time.

Even some simple gaming info about ore-boxes having a max of 120/140 ores to put into is 'misleading', according to what is written in The RuneScape Wiki, as you can put 'way more' ores in a box but you have to know what you are talking about and how to do it to maximize this gaming tool.

It all comes down to ... KNOWLEDGE ... and how far knowledge can be shared or not be shared.
It is all about having access to knowledge or have no access at all.

Players always share their experience as far as they have knowledge about certain things, added to that their personal experience and you have a mix of things 'YOU' wanna blackmark as 'misleading information' and let moderators bash that down as 'misbehavior'. It is a useless suggestion because Jagex/JMods are fully aware that they themselves are '
bound to strict extreme rules and are prohibited at all costs to break them
kn

Fmods add the labels, not the players or Jmods. Jmods don't have to do a thing. Still don't get it?

15-Oct-2020 17:45:52

Dilbert2001
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@Mrs Ana

1. Fmods only add the label if they want to. Nobody forced them to.

2. Please stop going in circle. This thread is not about how many users online and you have already expressed your opinion. No point to repeat the same thing in every thread. If you want to suggest doing something to get more users to the forums, why don't you go create your own thread and give us your suggestions?

3. Again, I don't believe you represent any Jmods and don't dictate what projects they do. You already stated your point that YOU yourself don't think Jmods have the time. I don't see why you keep repeating this in every post, and I am not even arguing if the Web team has or doesn't have time to do whatever project. I just made a suggestion, not an argument that only the Web Jmods an answer but not YOU.

4. The normal user can always use FMR if he has any disputes with a FMod. With or without the label, it is the exact same dispute.

5. Already answered in 2. Please make your own thread if you want to talk about the number of users.

6. See 4.

15-Oct-2020 17:56:36

Mrs Ana

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@Dilbert2001:

1. Correct, but again, if you do report it to Forum Help, as you have said, and a Forum Moderator sees the report, they will most likely action it and add the label, if required by the content of the thread. If you do not report it, then nothing is done. Saying that they are not "forced" to do it is like saying that they are not "forced" to moderate, which is both true and obvious. Why suggest something that Forum Moderators are not "forced" to add? It makes no sense.

2. Your idea centers around activity. Currently, we get between 10 and 20 users at any given time daily. Right now, we already have the means to deal with the suggestion that you are making. There is no need to add a label to something that may be already hidden or lock by a Forum Moderator. It's unnecessary and a waste of time for the Web Team, for Forum Moderators and for Jagex Moderators once they have to review the actions of a Forum Moderator or a CM.

3. I'm definitely not representing Jagex. I do not work for them. Just like you are able to quote them, that's what I am doing and my answers to you are all based off of Mod Lyon's posts. I will quote a few for you so that you are fully aware that they have already answered the questions for everyone here ;) .

Please see below as these did not fit on this post:

15-Oct-2020 18:26:20

Mrs Ana

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There are some great suggestions in here. A few are long requested features and things that
I'd love for our team to get the time to work on, unfortunately as you may know other things are taking priority at the moment (and will be for some time)


One day we'll get round to the forums, I hope. I think regardless of its problems, its a great resource for us to be able to gather feedback just like this :)
Mod Lyon said :
Like Mrs Ana shared, the forums aren't [regrettably] our current priority, and we're working hard on some big development sized work at the moment.
I'll keep your thread on our community suggestions notes though and relay this to the rest of the team, if we manage to get round to updating these hallowed halls.

Thanks,
Mod Lyon

15-Oct-2020 18:26:29

Mrs Ana

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4. Correct and I'm just trying to vividly point out to you that adding this suggestion would make another queue for the Jagex Moderators to look after. I'm fully aware that you said they would only step in "if they choose to", but unfortunately, that's not the case. As soon as someone reports an F-Mod for incorrectly mislabeling their thread "misleading", then you are "forcing" a Jagex Moderator to step in and make a decision on the F-Mod's action(s). We do not need to add more workload to Mod Kari's daily routine.

5. If there are no active users, I am not sure how this idea or anything else would work on the Forums when we are trying to get more people to come in.

6. Please see number 4.

15-Oct-2020 18:26:48

Mrs Ana

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daedlus58 said :
This begs the question, how do you determine if something is "misinformation". In my experience, when people say something is "misinformation" what they are really saying is "this does not match my agenda". I completely agree, which means that this term is subjective rather than objective. I'm sure we'll have a lot of people complaining that an F-Mod has incorrectly labeled their thread "misleading".

15-Oct-2020 21:16:28

Maynne

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Fmod position is not compatible for being fact checkers of Runescape game content, that is not what this role entails. And I don't think someone from our team wants that responsibility of fact-checking game details here in RSOF.

For your demands in fact, the job of the Community Helper is much closer to a fact checker than the best an fmod effort can do. CHs are more knowledgeable when it comes to stuff that covers their specific role, like assisting players with account problems, technical problems and billing issues.

16-Oct-2020 00:03:57 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2020 00:04:33 by Maynne

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