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Dilbert2001
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@Draco Burnz

"Jmods still wont read the forums as they have no reason to."


Jmods still read the forums although they may not reply in most cases. I bet many of them visit the RSOF at their own free time too. :)

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@2_Tron

"It all comes down to ... KNOWLEDGE ... and how far knowledge can be shared or not be shared.
It is all about having access to knowledge or have no access at all."


Sure, and in this case we come down to the KNOWLEDGE of the FMods. Sometimes, they use their KNOWLEDGE and made comment on misleading threads. I have seen it a few times recently. Only that there is no label on top of the thread so many users may not notice they actually have made such comments and so they continued to elaborate on the misinformation.

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@Mrs Ana

"Labelling a thread misleading is just flagging it for Jmod review while making all the RSOF users aware of the REAL facts."


Again, labelling or flagging a thread doesn't necessarily mean Jmods have to respond. For instance this Reddit thread is labelled as "bug" for the Jmods but shrug, nobody replied when no Jmods deem it needed perhaps:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/jaf4qr/sinkhole_question_potential_bug_or_programming/

14-Oct-2020 00:31:55 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 00:47:17 by Dilbert2001

2_Tron

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Dilbert2001 said :
... @2_Tron

"It all comes down to ... KNOWLEDGE ... and how far knowledge can be shared or not be shared.
It is all about having access to knowledge or have no access at all."


Sure, and in this case we come down to the KNOWLEDGE of the FMods . Sometimes, they use their KNOWLEDGE and made comment on misleading threads. I have seen it a few times recently. Only that there is no label on top of the thread so many users may not notice they actually have made such comments and so they continued to elaborate on the misinformation...
It hasn't anything to do with 'FMods' at all.
It has much to do with 'knowledge' in general involving every individual being occupied with Entertainment/Computer-Industry/Jagex/RuneScape/The RSOF.

I have been a result of what you proposed and again 'locking my posts/threads and hide them' really pisses me off because that's is all they do, LMods, and hardly talk about what is misleading or how the truth than really is.

14-Oct-2020 10:24:41

2_Tron

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If you label something 'misleading' you actually saying in
PUBLIC
that some individual
IS A LIAR
.

Do you really think that I am happy with that, ... black-marked and bullied/pestered for being a liar??

That makes me believe that moderators who will do that are complete assholes themselves.
That's my opinion on the matter.

14-Oct-2020 10:31:10

2_Tron

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CM Nick said :
I"ve hidden two off-topic and/or flaming posts a page back.

Let's please try to keep discussion in here civil, and to the point.
This also is a leading example ... although I know what I wrote hiding the other post was totally unnecessary because it was a response to my earlier post but somehow it wasn't understood that way.

14-Oct-2020 10:50:40

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
Again, labelling or flagging a thread doesn't necessarily mean Jmods have to respond. For instance this Reddit thread is labelled as "bug" for the Jmods but shrug, nobody replied when no Jmods deem it needed perhaps:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/jaf4qr/sinkhole_question_potential_bug_or_programming/
Dilbert2001, if that's the case, then reporting a thread to Forum Help does not mean that an F-Mod has to respond. If that's the case, then reporting to FMR does not mean a J-Mod has to respond. My main concern was that you contradicted yourself saying that J-Mods would review this and then you backtracked and said that it's only for F-Mods.

It's either or. It cannot be both and this is what I was trying to clarify for you and for other participants in this thread. It'd have been easier for you if you had just refined your position instead of trying to "twist" it. Are J-Mods going to be involved? Yes/no.

In conclusion, I think that going from " Yea, J-Mods will review it " to " No, J-Mods aren't involved; only F-Mods are " to " J-Mods can check it if they wish to " is considered both confusing and misleading. In a perfect world, I presume it'd be best if J-Mods were part of this idea given the fact that they are the ones with the last say on any matters here, but that's far from becoming reality.

Again, best of luck with your suggestion ^_^ .

14-Oct-2020 14:44:56

Dilbert2001
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2_Tron said :
If you label something 'misleading' you actually saying in
PUBLIC
that some individual
IS A LIAR
.

Do you really think that I am happy with that, ... black-marked and bullied/pestered for being a liar??

That makes me believe that moderators who will do that are complete assholes themselves.
That's my opinion on the matter.


I look at it a different way. If they label your thread misleading and let it stays, it means they think you don't intend to lie but may have been confused by or misinterpreted the actual information.

14-Oct-2020 16:25:26

Dilbert2001
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Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Again, labelling or flagging a thread doesn't necessarily mean Jmods have to respond. For instance this Reddit thread is labelled as "bug" for the Jmods but shrug, nobody replied when no Jmods deem it needed perhaps:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/jaf4qr/sinkhole_question_potential_bug_or_programming/
Dilbert2001, if that's the case, then reporting a thread to Forum Help does not mean that an F-Mod has to respond. If that's the case, then reporting to FMR does not mean a J-Mod has to respond. My main concern was that you contradicted yourself saying that J-Mods would review this and then you backtracked and said that it's only for F-Mods.

It's either or. It cannot be both and this is what I was trying to clarify for you and for other participants in this thread. It'd have been easier for you if you had just refined your position instead of trying to "twist" it. Are J-Mods going to be involved? Yes/no.

In conclusion, I think that going from " Yea, J-Mods will review it " to " No, J-Mods aren't involved; only F-Mods are " to " J-Mods can check it if they wish to " is considered both confusing and misleading. In a perfect world, I presume it'd be best if J-Mods were part of this idea given the fact that they are the ones with the last say on any matters here, but that's far from becoming reality.

Again, best of luck with your suggestion ^_^ .


The roles of Fmods and Jmods are different. Fmods are supposed to always attend to FM reports even if no actions are taken but Jmods don't have to even read any FM reports or regular forum posts unless they are deemed to be necessary for the adjudication of FMR complaints.

Think of it this way, Fmods are like the police who respond to our 911 calls but Jmods are like the court judges who absolutely don't need to read 911 police reports but they may want to if they are relevant to the case.

14-Oct-2020 16:30:03

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
The roles of Fmods and Jmods are different. Fmods are supposed to always attend to FM reports even if no actions are taken but Jmods don't have to even read any FM reports or regular forum posts unless they are deemed to be necessary for the adjudication of FMR complaints.

Think of it this way, Fmods are like the police who respond to our 911 calls but Jmods are like the court judges who absolutely don't need to read 911 p
How does this relate to what I am trying to point out to you? It's inconceivable that at this point, you still have not clarified your position after being told many times that you have made THREE separate contradictory statements. Instead of clarifying it for simplicity, you have simply gone ahead numerous times to defend your contradictions. If that's what makes you happy, then so be it. I'm simply content with the fact that I tried by best to read what your stance was, even though it was never explicated on your end.

Forum Moderators are not supposed to always check Forum Help. I'm sure you have been here long enough to notice that their position is completely voluntary and if they choose to tend to Forum Help, then they may do so at their convenience. As of right now, I'm aware of a Forum Moderator who has publicly stated countless numbers of times that they are not a Forum Help Forum Moderator and that they do not tend to it at all.

Furthermore, your analogy is completely flawed. Police are paid to do a job and they sign a contract with responsibilities and duties that must be carried out on a daily basis. This is definitely not true for F-Mods. F-Mods do not sign anything and do not have duties/responsibilities that must be carried out on a daily basis here on the Forums. It's 100% voluntary and there isn't a quota for them to follow. Community Managers like CM Nick do have a daily report that must be followed and this make sense because they are getting paid for it.

14-Oct-2020 17:11:46

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