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Mrs Ana

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Since you have not been able to completely clarify your contradictions, Dilbert2001, I'm going to explicitly ask again: What will the J-Mod role be if this idea were to be considered and implemented? Will J-Mods be reviewing these "misleading" titles/labels? Will J-Mods not participate in such reports? Or will J-Mods "check the reports if they choose to"?

14-Oct-2020 17:15:02 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 17:17:11 by Mrs Ana

Dilbert2001
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Mrs Ana said :
Since you have not been able to completely clarify your contradictions, Dilbert2001, I'm going to explicitly ask again: What will the J-Mod role be if this idea were to be considered and implemented? Will J-Mods be reviewing these "misleading" titles/labels? Will J-Mods not participate in such reports? Or will J-Mods "check the reports if they choose to"?

I completely clarified everything already, and the role of the Jmods in the RSOF is exactly what their role with Reddit's label.

With the really really really simple Reddit example I mentioned where a thread is labelled "bug", Jmods don't really need to do anything if they don't think there is anything they need to do, or they can use it as a reference if they think it is needed.

14-Oct-2020 18:22:39

Dilbert2001
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Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The roles of Fmods and Jmods are different. Fmods are supposed to always attend to FM reports even if no actions are taken but Jmods don't have to even read any FM reports or regular forum posts unless they are deemed to be necessary for the adjudication of FMR complaints.

Think of it this way, Fmods are like the police who respond to our 911 calls but Jmods are like the court judges who absolutely don't need to read 911 p How does this relate to what I am trying to point out to you? It's inconceivable that at this point, you still have not clarified your position after being told many times that you have made THREE separate contradictory statements. Instead of clarifying it for simplicity, you have simply gone ahead numerous times to defend your contradictions. If that's what makes you happy, then so be it. I'm simply content with the fact that I tried by best to read what your stance was, even though it was never explicated on your end.

Forum Moderators are not supposed to always check Forum Help. I'm sure you have been here long enough to notice that their position is completely voluntary and if they choose to tend to Forum Help, then they may do so at their convenience. As of right now, I'm aware of a Forum Moderator who has publicly stated countless numbers of times that they are not a Forum Help Forum Moderator and that they do not tend to it at all.



"Forum Moderators

We also have Forum Moderators who do exactly as the name implies – moderate the Forums! You can find out more about Forum Moderators here."


Fmods do have to moderate the forums as Jagex officially specified. They don't have to "always" check FH but nonetheless they are required to contribute to the forum moderation efforts (unlike Jmods whose job is to only moderate FMR but not patrol all the other forums).

14-Oct-2020 18:34:55

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
Fmods do have to moderate the forums as Jagex officially specified. They don't have to "always" check FH but nonetheless they are required to contribute to the forum moderation efforts (unlike Jmods whose job is to only moderate FMR but not patrol all the other forums). This is misleading information, Dilbert2001. I guess what you are suggesting would be best used on this same example of yours ;) .

Forum Moderators do NOT have to moderate the Forums as Jagex officially specified. If they had to, then it would be a job or a command, not a voluntary position. They are not required to contribute to the forum moderation efforts.

"Friendly and community minded forum volunteers selected to be part of the FMod team."


Source: Moderators and Community Helpers .

The ONLY thing that has been publicly required of Forum Moderators is to be "active". I remember Mod Meadows saying that they had to be "active" (subjective term) in order to avoid being de-modded. This occurred during the time that Mod Meadows de-modded a certain number of Forum Moderators.

Forum Moderators have NEVER been forced to moderate nor it is currently required of them to do. Yea, their names says "Forum Moderator" but this only applies whenever they desire to moderator at their own convenience. Forum Moderators are players like you and me and they too have the right to enjoy the Forums without having to moderate, if they do not wish to do so.

Volunteer, noun.

"a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service..."

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/volunteer

14-Oct-2020 18:50:36 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 18:51:20 by Mrs Ana

Dilbert2001
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@Mrs Ana

I already quoted you exactly what Jagex officially stated as the role of Forum Moderators. Their role is to moderate the forums just exactly as the name implies:

"Forum Moderators

We also have Forum Moderators who do exactly as the name implies – moderate the Forums! You can find out more about Forum Moderators here."


The thread is stickied in the Community Home forum in case if you really really really really really don't understand:

Quick find code: 254-255-597-66019301

Please don't argue with me if you don't agree, but I just quoted exactly what Jagex wrote.

14-Oct-2020 19:09:03

Mrs Ana

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I'm not arguing with you. I am simply clarifying your misleading statements. I too quoted the section of the RuneScape website where Jagex states that Forum Moderators are volunteers :

"Friendly and community minded forum volunteers selected to be part of the FMod team."


Source: Moderators and Community Helpers .

Hopefully, that clears it up for you and anyone else who may have read your incorrect statement: Forum Moderators are volunteers and are NOT required to moderate the Forums. When you are a volunteer, you choose your own time to take action at your convenience. Forum Moderators are not paid and they are certainly not employees of Jagex.

14-Oct-2020 19:12:38

Dilbert2001
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Mrs Ana said :
I'm not arguing with you. I am simply clarifying your misleading statements. I too quoted the section of the RuneScape website where Jagex states that Forum Moderators are volunteers :

"Friendly and community minded forum volunteers selected to be part of the FMod team."


Source: Moderators and Community Helpers .

Hopefully, that clears it up for you and anyone else who may have read your incorrect statement: Forum Moderators are volunteers and are NOT required to moderate the Forums. When you are a volunteer, you choose your own time to take action at your convenience. Forum Moderators are not paid and they are certainly not employees of Jagex.

I quoted exactly where Jagex wrote. How is my information misleading?

Yes, Fmods are volunteers but if they don't provide positive sentiments to the forums under their forum mod title then Jagex also has the rights not to select them as Fmods.

Besides, even if certain Fmods refuse to moderate the forums, so be it as it is an issue between them and Jagex. They have the rights not to add the label in my suggestion so it doesn't even have any bearing with my label suggestion. Let the Fmods who are ready, willing and able to attend to my label suggestions at their own discretions then.

14-Oct-2020 19:18:33 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 19:23:09 by Dilbert2001

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
I quoted exactly where Jagex wrote. How is my information misleading?
Your information is misleading because you said, and I quote,
Dilbert2001 said :
Fmods do have to moderate the forums as Jagex officially specified. They don't have to "always" check FH but nonetheless they are required to contribute to the forum moderation efforts (unlike Jmods whose job is to only moderate FMR but not patrol all the other forums). This is false and misleading information. Your quote that said that Forum Moderators do moderate the Forums is completely fine and 100% true; however, this is only applicable when and if they decide to moderate. It's 100% their choice to do so or not. Forum Moderators are NOT required to carry out certain duties or obligations within their Forum Moderator role. This is what I am trying to specify and clarify.

Furthermore, Forum Moderators are NOT required to contribute to the forum moderation efforts, as you falsely claimed above. To give you an example, Community Managers/L-Mods ARE required to carry out certain moderation efforts within the Forums on a daily basis. Why? Due to the fact that CM Nick and others are employed through a third-party company to carry out certain tasks here and they are compensated for such work. Forum Moderators are not employed, are not obligated to moderate and certainly do not get paid.

I hope that's clear for everyone else that may have been confused by your contradictory and misleading statement regarding Forum Moderators and what their role entails.

14-Oct-2020 19:28:23 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 19:29:57 by Mrs Ana

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
Yes, Fmods are volunteers but if they don't provide positive sentiments to the forums under their forum mod title then Jagex also has the rights not to select them as Fmods. I'm unsure what exactly you are referring to here, but we are all aware that Forum Moderators must follow all the Rules as anyone else would. They are players too and the Rules/Code of Conduct apply to them as well. When you said "positive sentiments", I'm not sure if you mean they must agree with everything Jagex says or not, but Forum Moderators are entitled to their opinions.

Just because they are Forum Moderators, it does not mean that they must agree with everything that Jagex says. Now, if it's related to their forum moderation role, then, I'm sure that you are aware that they are able to voice their opinions privately with other F-Mods and Jagex themselves. As far as I am aware, Jagex does not implement a Forum change or a change in the forum moderation tools without first consulting the Forum Moderators themselves.

If by "positive sentiment" you meant as in always promoting the well-being of the RSOFs, I'm sure that's completely part of the role. I have never seen a Forum Moderator doing otherwise ^_^ .

14-Oct-2020 19:34:44

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