RuneScape Forum Archive | Labelling a thread misleading

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
One solution where Reddit handle this is to have their moderators adding a "misleading" tag to the thread title. I think this is what these RSOF need too. The RSOFs do not need a "misleading" tag. What these RSOFs need are an overall update to compete with Social Media with normal features that these RSOFs should have had LONG TIME ago. Once that's done, these RSOFs need more members. We used to have 400-1000 active users at any given time when we had over 20 Jagex Moderators in Community Management. Considering the fact that J-Mods left these Forums to go on Social Media, so did most of its members. It has been proven that wherever J-Mods go, so do players.

If we currently do not have Jagex Moderators looking out for the RSOFs, then it's a fact that most members are not forming part of it. Additionally, if these RSOFs do not get updated with long overdue features/tools that Social Media already offers its members, then people will not be inclined to come here.

It's all about traffic. You are trying to suggest something that 1) is not needed and 2) will simply shoo people away due to the feat that their information is "misleading" or incorrect. As it stands, we get, at most, 20 active users at any given time. We should be focusing on ideas that promote the healthy return of these RSOFs to is Golden Era. A "misleading" tag does not do that. You are adding more work for the Web Team, a team that has been focused on other more important projects. You are, potentially, adding more work for Jagex Moderators if they have to approve/disprove the use of a "misleading" tag that has been applied by a Forum Moderator. We are lucky if we get Mod Kari to look after FMR when time allows her.

As an addendum, you are adding more work for Forum Moderators if they have to assess the information being shared to make a decision on whether it is "misleading" or not. They are already able to simply hide the post(s) or lock the thread.

14-Oct-2020 21:52:52

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
In the case of RSOF, I think mods should do the same too. Once in a while, I see some Fmods putting up comments correcting the misinformation/disinformation but for most times they don't... and even when they make the corrections, it won't stop more "different" users from continuing and derailing the threads citing they don't read all comments or they think the mods are wrong/lying.

So my suggestion is to have a forum tool for the mods to either label a thread MISLEADING (e.g. by adding an asterisk or displaying the texts in the thread title in a different color) to alert ALL the forum users this thread contains misinformation. Again, why don't you just report the thread to have it either hidden or locked to avoid the spreading of misinformation? What good would an asterisk do if the details are still being shared and discussed? How does that even make sense to you? If something is misleading or incorrect, then you are more than welcome to alert the F-Mods so that they can take a look.

I think it's uncalled for to simply allow a discussion to continue when the contents of such thread are misleading details that may further confuse the participants and the community as a whole. Instead of allowing this conversation to continue, the thread is either hidden or locked and no more spreading misinformation. If by any chance the OP decides to defy the suggestion of the F-Mod(s) in question after the thread has been locked, then I am sure that you are fully aware of what may happen next.

In conclusion, I wholeheartedly believe that focusing on this unnecessary tool instead of focusing on updating the Forums and bringing in more active users is absurd. If we had the same amount of flowing activity, then yea, I wouldn't mind to have something like this; however, we no longer enjoy the amount of active users that we used to have when 20-30 Jagex Moderators looked after this community.

14-Oct-2020 21:53:01

Mrs Ana

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As a summary of my main points,

1) Your idea is not necessary. F-Mods are already capable of hiding posts and threads when deemed necessary. If they do not wish to engage in such a report, then a CM may be called upon. If a CM deems it appropriate for a J-Mod to step in, then one may be summoned.
2) Your idea wouldn't work in this current environment. We do not have the same number of active users that we once had when the RSOFs enjoyed its Golden Age. We are lucky if we get 15-20 at any given time right now. It's just not worth it.
3) In order for you idea to prosper, we would need to get the Web Team on board, a team that has been extremely busy with their own projects that they have put off updating the RSOFs many times throughout the last 5-10 years. Updating the RSOFs and bringing in more traffic is way up there, way higher in priority than your idea.
4) We'd have to get J-Mods on board in order to be able to fully assess the "misleading" tag. As it stands, we barely see J-Mods around and when we see Mod Kari, it's because she's dealing with FMR.
5) A "misleading" tag works best on Social Media platform where you have millions and millions of users, just like Twitter. It wouldn't properly function here on the RSOFs as its owners (Jagex) are not fully engaged on a daily basis and we barely get 20 active users on a "good" day.
6) If a thread or post contains "misleading" information that you think ought to be dealt with, then by all means report it to Forum Help. If you do not wish to report it, then go on about your normal day.

Instead of adding more work to the Web Team, Jagex and Forum Moderators, it's simply easier and more convenient, as already nicely laid out by CM Nick, to report such instances to Forum Help for them to be reviewed. You also have the choice of not engaging and not reporting it. In any case, it's a win-win situation for you or anyone else.

I hope that this has cleared by views on this matter ^_^

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14-Oct-2020 21:53:07 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2020 21:55:31 by Mrs Ana

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2006

Dilbert2001

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2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Do you have anything constructive to add to my label suggestion? Sure, it has already been added numerous times, but I will quote my very first post on this thread here for you: Mrs Ana's response to your label suggestion .

Already told you bringing more traffic to the forums has nothing to do with this thread. ~~Thanks again for nothing.~~

OHHhh yes it has everything to do with your thread as what you are proposing is slamming discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust leaving it to become a wasteland of nothingness.

The label is only informative and doesn't represent the opinion of anybody other than the Fmod who put it up. As in the "bug" example I quoted from Reddit, one person thinks it is a bug certainly doesn't "slam discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust" at all.

14-Oct-2020 22:03:24

2_Tron

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Dilbert2001 said :
2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Do you have anything constructive to add to my label suggestion? Sure, it has already been added numerous times, but I will quote my very first post on this thread here for you: Mrs Ana's response to your label suggestion .

Already told you bringing more traffic to the forums has nothing to do with this thread. ~~Thanks again for nothing.~~

OHHhh yes it has everything to do with your thread as what you are proposing is slamming discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust leaving it to become a wasteland of nothingness.

The label is only informative and doesn't represent the opinion of anybody other than the Fmod who put it up. As in the "bug" example I quoted from Reddit, one person thinks it is a bug certainly doesn't "slam discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust" at all. Informative?? LOL, any label ... even telling someone being 'A TROLL' ... isn't meant to be informative but clearly is put there to disable someone's contribution in The RSOF.
It really breaks down a lot of contributions in The RSOF because who wanna risk being labelled one way or the other here in The RSOF?

14-Oct-2020 22:18:15

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2006

Dilbert2001

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@Mrs Ana

1) Again, the label idea is

NOT

to force a Jmod to look at a thread when she is not available yet. Its main purpose is to inform RSOF users to look for Fmod comment(s) in the thread for (potential) misinformation.

2) The label idea works for 0 to over 9,000 users.

3) I think it is very easy for the web team to add such a label. I am also only making a suggestion. The website Jmods should have better idea than you and me.

4) Again, for the 9,000 times, no Jmods are forced to look at anything when they are not available yet. The label is purely informative to all users, however, don't forget Jmods are users too.

5) You are just repeating 2), so the answer is still the same: the number of users won't matter.

6) We, regular users report a thread using FH. Fmods, then review the thread and if deemed appropriate label the thread "misleading" or something else to alert the regular users. It serves like a Fmod-reply label in Reddit. What's your problem?

14-Oct-2020 22:29:57

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2006

Dilbert2001

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2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Do you have anything constructive to add to my label suggestion? Sure, it has already been added numerous times, but I will quote my very first post on this thread here for you: Mrs Ana's response to your label suggestion .

Already told you bringing more traffic to the forums has nothing to do with this thread. ~~Thanks again for nothing.~~

OHHhh yes it has everything to do with your thread as what you are proposing is slamming discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust leaving it to become a wasteland of nothingness.

The label is only informative and doesn't represent the opinion of anybody other than the Fmod who put it up. As in the "bug" example I quoted from Reddit, one person thinks it is a bug certainly doesn't "slam discussions/debates/exchange of feedback into dust" at all. Informative?? LOL, any label ... even telling someone being 'A TROLL' ... isn't meant to be informative but clearly is put there to disable someone's contribution in The RSOF.
It really breaks down a lot of contributions in The RSOF because who wanna risk being labelled one way or the other here in The RSOF?

Again "misleading" only means misleading but not "A TROLL" just as the "bug" label in Reddit doesn't necessarily mean the "bug" is really a bug.

14-Oct-2020 22:31:51

2_Tron

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Dilbert2001 said :
Again "misleading" only means misleading but not "A TROLL" just as the "bug" label in Reddit doesn't necessarily mean the "bug" is really a bug.
So in essence we are back here ...
2_Tron said :
RuneScape is a project that is 'under construction 24/7 ... 365 days a year continuously throughout time.
The Internet likewise is always under construction 24/7 ... 365 days a year continuously throughout time.
The computer industry ... same story.
The Entertainment industry, which Jagex is part of ... same story.
Altogether what happens today and will possibly happen tomorrow will never be set in stone as it is 'uncertain/unpredictable', even when we speak it could be and might be changing.

So any attempt to make a clear picture out of it or predict what will happen is almost impossible to do, even for Jagex/JMods themselves
as things keep shifting all the time.

Even some simple gaming info about ore-boxes having a max of 120/140 ores to put into is 'misleading', according to what is written in The RuneScape Wiki, as you can put 'way more' ores in a box but you have to know what you are talking about and how to do it to maximize this gaming tool.

It all comes down to ... KNOWLEDGE ... and how far knowledge can be shared or not be shared.
It is all about having access to knowledge or have no access at all.

Players always share their experience as far as they have knowledge about certain things, added to that their personal experience and you have a mix of things 'YOU' wanna blackmark as 'misleading information' and let moderators bash that down as 'misbehavior'. It is a useless suggestion because Jagex/JMods are fully aware that they themselves are '
bound to strict extreme rules and are prohibited at all costs to break them
knowing that no other person can do a better job in explaining a case.

15-Oct-2020 07:26:03

2_Tron

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In the past, prior to 2010, this issue was what kept Jagex/JMods busy getting headaches as they would love to explain things more in detail but their
Non-disclosure Agreement
which they all signed entering the building at Jagex kept them chained, impossible to break.

... And now you wanna turn yourself against The RuneScape Community going to blame every individual player and label them with 'misleading-tags' because Jagex/Jmods are chained, not able to speak up because of their
Non-disclosure Agreement
.

15-Oct-2020 07:34:36

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
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1. Instead of having F-Mods do extra work by applying this tag, let alone the time it takes to implement, it's already possible and much easier to either hide the post(s) containing the "misleading" information and/or lock the thread. No need to add an extra tool when the tools are already available for F-Mods to use.

2. Yea, sure, if we had that amount of active players, but we do not.

3. Other suggestions have been much easier to implement than yours and they have not been considered given the fact that the Web Team has other plans in mind. I'm sure everyone else would agree that the most important focus is updating the Forums and that hasn't happened in years. So yea.

4. Sure, but you are forgetting the fact that a normal player is able to dispute the F-Mod's addition of the "misleading" tag. Or did you think that F-Mod's actions weren't going to be checked if they applied a "misleading" tag to a thread and the OP didn't agree with it? Where are these players going to go if they disagree with an F-Mod's "misleading" tag? You guessed correctly: FMR. So, even though you have continuously said that J-Mods can come in if they choose to, they do not have a choice other than to double-check the F-Mod's action(s) if someone makes a report to FMR. J-Mods WILL be involved in this.

5. It does matter. If we do not have enough players here participating, how does a "misleading" tag work? Who are the ones making the threads? We are lucky that we have 10-20 users at a given time given the fact that most, if not all, players are veterans who are still visiting and using these Forums on a daily basis.

6. I do not have a problem. I am simply conversing with you regarding your suggestion. Again, as I have mentioned on point number 4, an F-Mod's action will always be disputed to FMR and if OP does not agree with the "misleading" tag applied by the F-Mod, they will report such F-Mod(s) to Mod Kari.

15-Oct-2020 14:48:17