RuneScape Forum Archive | Labelling a thread misleading

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Mrs Ana said :
daedlus58 said :
This begs the question, how do you determine if something is "misinformation". In my experience, when people say something is "misinformation" what they are really saying is "this does not match my agenda". I completely agree, which means that this term is subjective rather than objective. I'm sure we'll have a lot of people complaining that an F-Mod has incorrectly labeled their thread "misleading".

For the 9,000 times, I have already clearly stated it is the sole opinion of the Fmod who put up that comment and decided also to add a label. If you don't like "misleading", we can change it to other labels such as "questionable" or "citation needed" and such. All kind of Wiki moderation used these kinds of "labels" or "remarks". So?

Also, don't forget the Fmod has to put up his own comment when he put up a "misleading" label or equivalent. His comment already illustrates his opinion already. The label is just to make the general public (or course, other Fmods, CMs, or Jmods included if they want to read too) aware of the Fmod's comment in the thread. Again, it acts more as a "Fmod-Reply" in the case of r/Runescape.

16-Oct-2020 00:07:52

Maynne

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Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
daedlus58 said :
This begs the question, how do you determine if something is "misinformation". In my experience, when people say something is "misinformation" what they are really saying is "this does not match my agenda". I completely agree, which means that this term is subjective rather than objective. I'm sure we'll have a lot of people complaining that an F-Mod has incorrectly labeled their thread "misleading".

For the 9,000 times, I have already clearly stated it is the sole opinion of the Fmod who put up that comment and decided also to add a label. If you don't like "misleading", we can change it to other labels such as "questionable" or "citation needed" and such. All kind of Wiki moderation used these kinds of "labels" or "remarks". So?

Also, don't forget the Fmod has to put up his own comment when he put up a "misleading" label or equivalent. His comment already illustrates his opinion already. The label is just to make the general public (or course, other Fmods, CMs, or Jmods included if they want to read too) aware of the Fmod's comment in the thread. Again, it acts more as a "Fmod-Reply" in the case of r/Runescape.

I don't think expanding the role to that level is the right thing to do. If Jagex wishes, use the CH team or organize a separate fact-checking group.

Spare us, we don't ask for that task. Don't feed us a task that is very different from the current setup of the fmod team.

16-Oct-2020 00:12:20

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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@Mrs Ana

1, 2, 4, 5: Please see my above post.

3: You are just quoting Mod Lyon's post to another RSOF user. How does it apply to everybody else's including my suggestions? How do you know the web team can't find the time (maybe just minutes) to implement my suggestion or somebody else's? How do you know my suggestion is not already in their to-do or wish-to-do list? Don't tell me just because you found Mod Lyon making such a reply to a SPECIFIC user, then all the Jmods will not listen to suggestions of everybody. If this is such a hilarious case then please close this Website and Forums for good.

16-Oct-2020 00:14:03

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Maynne said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
daedlus58 said :
This begs the question, how do you determine if something is "misinformation". In my experience, when people say something is "misinformation" what they are really saying is "this does not match my agenda". I completely agree, which means that this term is subjective rather than objective. I'm sure we'll have a lot of people complaining that an F-Mod has incorrectly labeled their thread "misleading".

For the 9,000 times, I have already clearly stated it is the sole opinion of the Fmod who put up that comment and decided also to add a label. If you don't like "misleading", we can change it to other labels such as "questionable" or "citation needed" and such. All kind of Wiki moderation used these kinds of "labels" or "remarks". So?

Also, don't forget the Fmod has to put up his own comment when he put up a "misleading" label or equivalent. His comment already illustrates his opinion already. The label is just to make the general public (or course, other Fmods, CMs, or Jmods included if they want to read too) aware of the Fmod's comment in the thread. Again, it acts more as a "Fmod-Reply" in the case of r/Runescape.

I don't think expanding the role to that level is the right thing to do. If Jagex wishes, use the CH team or organize a separate fact-checking group.

Spare us, we don't ask for that task. Don't feed us a task that is very different from the current setup of the fmod team.

You also seem to misunderstand the purpose of my suggestion. It is not for fact-checking purpose of Jmods, but for the information to the GENERSL RSOF users. Save the fact-checking group for FMR but not my suggestion.

16-Oct-2020 00:16:10

Maynne

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You demand for fmods to "judge" whether a post about a Runescape content in RSOF is a "misleading" - that is by itself a description of fact-checking.

Don't feed to us the job of fact-checking threads with regards to Runescape content, much better if you propose creation of a separate group.

We don't ask for this, don't feed to us the job we are not designed for.

16-Oct-2020 00:18:17

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Maynne said :
You demand for fmods to "judge" whether a post about a Runescape content in RSOF is a "misleading" - that is by itself a description of fact-checking.

Don't feed to us the job of fact-checking threads with regards to Runescape content, much better if you propose creation of a separate group.

We don't ask for this, don't feed to us the job we are not designed for.

I don't demand anybody, including the fmods to "judge" whether a post is "misleading". I suggested to let a fmod who has determined a post to be "misleading" and added such a comment in the thread to have an option to add such an informative label for the general public.

No fact-checking is needed by any mods, except if the general RSOF users want to do their own fact-checking they can of course do so.

16-Oct-2020 00:22:23

Maynne

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Leaving this thread, as your arguments are weak.

Nobody can compel us to make such judgement based-on our opinion on what game info is misleading or not. Goodluck finding an fmod who wish to take-on that kind of added role of fact-checking.

No matter how you package it, you ask the fmod team to do fact-checking because you see it as important. Can't blame you for it, but from my end just one message:

Spare us...

16-Oct-2020 00:25:57

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Maynne said :
Leaving this thread, as your arguments are weak.

Nobody can compel us to make such judgement based-on our opinion on what game info is misleading or not. Goodluck finding an fmod who wish to take-on that kind of added role of fact-checking.

No matter how you package it, you ask the fmod team to do fact-checking because you see it as important. Can't blame you for it, but from my end just one message:

Spare us...

You can join or leave this thread at your own will, nobody compel you either way just as my suggestion doesn't compel anybody to do anything at all. For the 9,000 times no fact-checking is needed just like the the "citation needed" thingie in Wiki. If nobody wants to add anything so be it. If nobody wants to check the actual fact so be it. Simple as that.

16-Oct-2020 00:37:28

Stoat King

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But if you swap your original proposal of adding a tag saying "Misleading" to one saying "Citation Needed", then surely that applies to an enormous swathe of things posted to these forums?
People commonly post things that are questionable and are asked to provide proof or sources.
Indeed, some of your own statements in this thread have turned out to be questionable. Certainly they have been questioned.
From my point of view, this changes this proposal to something that was barely practical to completely impractical and counter-productive.
At least two of my sentences above would have to be labelled as such.

16-Oct-2020 08:11:31

2_Tron

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Dilbert2001 said :
... Fmods add the labels, not the players or Jmods. Jmods don't have to do a thing. Still don't get it? Where do FMods get 'ALL that Knowledge' if nobody has to do 'anything'?

I do get it ... more than you do.

Fact-checking based upon the knowledge that's impossible to retrieve basically comes down to harassing players because you do not have the answers/resources/intel/knowledge.

16-Oct-2020 08:23:09