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That's the kind of attitude that doesn't really make you seem like an ally. Those people had to 'shout their heads' off so people would listen to them, realise they were not going away, and treat them like humans, not second-class citizens or worse. That's what Pride is and was about, and that's why there's no need for a straight pride. Research on Stonewall in particular would give you insight into Pride marches' history.
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19-Jul-2017 13:41:36

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You can be proud, but do you really need to be? Nobody was murdering you or denying you rights because you were straight. That's partly the difference between gay pride and people who think there should be a 'straight pride'.
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20-Jul-2017 00:46:51

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You can be proud, but do you really need to be? Nobody was murdering you or denying you rights because you were straight. That's partly the difference between gay pride and people who think there should be a 'straight pride'.

I didn't choose to be of German heritage. Germans were persecuted in Allied nations following WWII. Yet Germans and German-descended people don't have a German Pride Month.

Be proud of what you are, that's fine, just don't sit there and try to gain special rights or push it in everyone's faces. Live and let live, that's fine, but why should you all get these special events and such to celebrate LGBT pride when I don't get special privileges to be proud of my German, British, Swedish, Christian heritage. I'm just proud. I don't need parades, flags, etc to be proud... ~
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27-Jul-2017 09:17:34

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You're missing the point, which is why I said research can't hurt, specifically about Stonewall. It's about more than "being proud about who you are," it is an exemplification of people-power, specifically LGBT+ people-power, over oppression and discrimination and hatred, how in order to push change you have to be vocal and present and fight through the garbage intolerant people throw at you, and never give up, realising this is not over for so many people. This is what pride events started as – marches of defiance, a way to let intolerants know LGBT+ people won't stand by quietly.

We have learnt a lot from history, but not all the things we've learnt are exemplified in marches. You're right. Instead, we have dedicated days, remembrance days, unions, groups and legacies, monuments, history books and school lessons all dedicated to the celebration and liberation of the persecuted, teaching us right from wrong and celebrating human success over persecution.

We still learn about all the horrible things in the past and now we dedicated time and memory, in one way or another, to that. You ask someone on "their day" – a Vet – what it means to them, and they'll tell you something that you as a non-Vet might not get or understand wholly. Well, you might not get what Pride is about, but I'll tell you, it most definitely means something to LGBT+ people. Nobody's asking you to join. Nobody's asking you to attend. But they'll remind you that it's not up to you what they can and cannot do.

BTW, nobody's trying to get special rights. Equal rights are not special rights. People who do not want others to have the same rights of them always say this, say the persecuted are trying to get "special treatment," but it's just not true. This is an odd thing to say, especially on a day like today where the American pres took the rights of trans people AWAY by preventing them from participating in USA armed forces. Nobody LGBT+ is getting special treatment.
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27-Jul-2017 14:09:13

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BTW, nobody's trying to get special rights.
Equal rights are not special rights.
People who do not want others to have the same rights of them always say this, say the persecuted are trying to get "special treatment," but it's just not true. This is an odd thing to say,
especially on a day like today where the American pres took the rights of trans people AWAY by preventing them from participating in USA armed


Well said.

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27-Jul-2017 19:48:47

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You can be proud, but do you really need to be? Nobody was murdering you or denying you rights because you were straight. That's partly the difference between gay pride and people who think there should be a 'straight pride'.

I didn't choose to be of German heritage. Germans were persecuted in Allied nations following WWII. Yet Germans and German-descended people don't have a German Pride Month.

Be proud of what you are, that's fine, just don't sit there and try to gain special rights or push it in everyone's faces. Live and let live, that's fine, but why should you all get these special events and such to celebrate LGBT pride when I don't get special privileges to be proud of my German, British, Swedish, Christian heritage. I'm just proud. I don't need parades, flags, etc to be proud...

Kind of agree with these points.

28-Jul-2017 03:01:32

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I think that the difference here is that disabled individuals aren't systematically oppressed the same way that queer people are across the world.

I have yet to hear of disabled people being fired from work for the sole purpose being disabled, and then being unable to sue for discrimination because they are not protected by the law, or disabled people being beheaded in certain parts of the world, or being put in literal concentration camps in the modern day. There's no "conversion therapy" for people with disabilities that are labeled by the wider scientific community as torture, but is still legal.

Yes, disabled individuals are still marginalized, but not to the same degree that we are. But we are creatures of anecdote, so I can't wait to see the responses to this. In no Western country LGBT people are oppressed. If you talk about discrimination... look, as long as you distinguish yourself from anyone else and talk about 'the LGBT people' that's one group and 'the heterosexuals and "cis"-genders' the other group, this will only CAUSE discrimination. I'm really no fan of discrimination but by seeing yourself as different from anyone else, any discrimination (whether it's 'positive' (like higher punishments for hate speech specifically against LGTB which you don't complain about even though it's a discriminatory law), neutral, and also negative discirmination) is partly to blame to yourself, honestly.

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Mostly agree with last remaining paragraph. It is kind of shooting oneself in the foot to fight against discrimination and then discriminate of differentiate between your group and another's.

28-Jul-2017 03:09:39

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