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CuddleBucket

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Scret said :
Seer of War said :
We have been constantly being harassed by ex members for the past 10 months.

I had ignored them for so long. I saw one of them messing with my vex (opening customization interface, planting markers, etc) so I unignored to see if they were saying anything.

This resulted in me seeing that this player was standing there in public calling our clan hackers and scammers. Should I just report and ignore? Probably, but I said "Proof?" because this player has been making things up about our clan for the past year. It then devolved into me being called a pedo, accused of touching her little brother, and even accusing me directly of being a hacker (lol, like what the literal fk?)

As I stated this has been ongoing for approx 10 months now. I've reported them so often with no effect that I got to the point I just put them on ignore. Yet they are still fixated on trying to cause problems for us.

Unacceptable. How many times do I have to report someone for heinous abuses before action is actually taken?

10 months of him being allowed to say things like this and Jagex still be like "jus repurt it" lol

Completely useless, they spend more time and resources on trying to make the game look good instead of trying to actually make it better, they hire an army of community mods to run events for a minority and show it on camera to their social media sites but instead they could actually hire some more staff to tackle reports properly.

I agree.

The message I'm hearing is that everyone is fair game.
Are we allowed to throw around terms like ******? *****? ***? (offensive terms removed)
Because if someone isn't auto banned when they've been reported for telling someone to go & kill themself, then you're basically saying everything is acceptable.

Does the bottom$Line forbid us 'adults' from being held to any standard at all?

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06-Jun-2016 15:23:12 - Last edited on 06-Jun-2016 16:51:50 by CuddleBucket

Salcos

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This clan has been following my members around harassing them. Using slurs about gay people and still nothing has been done over the entire time this has been happening.

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07-Jun-2016 07:16:50 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 07:32:17 by Salcos

Vera

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Blasty said :
I think the situation you're describing is different to the ones most of us are familiar with.

You might want to look into the reasons that people are complaining. In the less organised/targeted attacks that I think most of us have in mind, the motivation for being disruptive is usually something small like the placement of a vex or recruiting in public chat. These motivations aren't strong enough for people to do much more than make a negative comment in public chat. In these cases, it might be enough to show humour or a lack of interest to put them off.

When you have as many as 20 people who seem motivated enough to make targeted attacks towards your clan, you might want to find out why they are doing that.

If you're asking about a general solution to that problem, I think the problem is too broad for a simple solution that would work all the time.

To improve a specific instance of that problem, it will probably take some more background information and a better understanding of why people are being disruptive.

On the topic of bad publicity and removing clan mates, here are some relevant articles:
http://technori.com/2013/07/4516-the-9-golden-rules-for-dealing-with-bad-publicity/
https://hbr.org/2012/07/are-you-creating-disgruntled-e
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Avoid+a+sticky+situation%3A+a+guide+to+firing+an+employee.-a0161130537 Great articles, except for the third one which I didn't even finish reading. Terrible writing because it's far more technical and stuffy than it needs to be

I agree with

Blasty

's sentiment--if it's more than one person that's disgruntled enough about your clan that they'll publically traduce it, I would try to figure out why. Even if you don't agree with their opinions, their emotions are still valid because they came from somewhere.

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07-Jun-2016 07:44:09

Salcos

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Vera said :
I agree with

Blasty

's sentiment--if it's more than one person that's disgruntled enough about your clan that they'll publically traduce it, I would try to figure out why. Even if you don't agree with their opinions, their emotions are still valid because they came from somewhere.

Not always. Psychological phenomena tend to happen over online interaction. They do these things, because they can. No reason to, they just can. Not 30 minutes ago somebody asked me how my boyfriend was, and one of the trolls following me replied with "he will be dead soon".

I immediately reported it, like how is that okay?

Trading people chairs and ropes, telling them to kill their selves. How is that okay?

Making people not enjoy a game they love, and pay for. How is that okay?

Threatening someone. How is that okay?

The ban list is full. Existing for almost 10 years, and the ability for so many alts to be made so easily. What are we to do?

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07-Jun-2016 07:46:42 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 07:54:12 by Salcos

Vera

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Andras

, to be honest I'm not sure what's going on...it seems like people are just acting like internet people.

There is one reference to "gay scape" but that's used as a generic insult for the sake of feeling like the perpetrator is insulting someone. Yes, it does insinuate that being gay is somehow a bad thing, because "gay scape" was used as an insult, but it's not directly targeting someone's sexual orientation.

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07-Jun-2016 07:47:58

Salcos

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Vera said :

Andras

, to be honest I'm not sure what's going on...it seems like people are just acting like internet people.

There is one reference to "gay scape" but that's used as a generic insult for the sake of feeling like the perpetrator is insulting someone. Yes, it does insinuate that being gay is somehow a bad thing, because "gay scape" was used as an insult, but it's not directly targeting someone's sexual orientation.

There were things before and after that screenshot that were said. Thats all I could get really...I just edited my last post BTW.

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07-Jun-2016 07:48:39 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 07:49:03 by Salcos

Vera

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Salcos said :
Vera said :
I agree with

Blasty

's sentiment--if it's more than one person that's disgruntled enough about your clan that they'll publically traduce it, I would try to figure out why. Even if you don't agree with their opinions, their emotions are still valid because they came from somewhere. Not always. Psychological phenomena tend to happen over online interaction. They do these things, because they can. No reason to, they just can. If I'm 100% honest at the expense of being 100% non-offensive, I think your "it's their fault, not ours" mentality is why your situation is as bad as it is now.

Yes, people on the internet can be trolls, especially because they can be anonymous and because being nasty doesn't have immediate repercussions. But if your clan is being repeatedly targeted, and perhaps even making things worse, then it's worth re-evaluating what you're doing because you have control over what you do.

Edit: Thanks for the edit notification, I'll take a read and edit my response accordingly.

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07-Jun-2016 07:53:28 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 07:54:13 by Vera

Salcos

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Vera said :
Salcos said :
Vera said :
I agree with

Blasty

's sentiment--if it's more than one person that's disgruntled enough about your clan that they'll publically traduce it, I would try to figure out why. Even if you don't agree with their opinions, their emotions are still valid because they came from somewhere. Not always. Psychological phenomena tend to happen over online interaction. They do these things, because they can. No reason to, they just can. If I'm 100% honest at the expense of being 100% non-offensive, I think your "it's their fault, not ours" mentality is why your situation is as bad as it is now.

Yes, people on the internet can be trolls, especially because they can be anonymous and because being nasty doesn't have immediate repercussions. But if your clan is being repeatedly targeted, and perhaps even making things worse, then it's worth re-evaluating what you're doing because you have control over what you do.

Repeatedly targeted by the same people. Why are we being told it is our fault right now when we, as a group, did nothing wrong. We had a member that trolled. They were kicked forever ago. We explained this. Seriously. The victim blaming kinda made me really angry so I am going to go now. Due to one ex clan member's banter an entire clan is being trolled and being threatened. Yet somehow it is our fault.

This may be a game. But the words are real, what the people are saying is real, the thoughts and actions are real. The game isnt making those messages, the player is.

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07-Jun-2016 07:55:53 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 08:04:32 by Salcos

Vera

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Wow okay, so your trolls are because of your sexual orientation? In this case this is a matter of being deliberate of your surroundings and dealing with one type of person that plays Runescape--uneducated and intolerant males.

As a result, whether you want to or not, you now represent "homosexuals" *even though you are your own individual,* simply because as human beings we buy into stereotypes and generalizations. It brings about a sense of order in our worlds.

Unfortunately for you, that means a responsibility to be a better and especially more deliberate person. It's not fair that you have to put in more effort than everyone else, but that's how changing people's minds happens---by the vocal actions of the minority. The minority is you, in this situation because your clan has homosexuals, and the majority is all the people who don't like people who are different, and can magnify and treat those differences with disrespect to make themselves feel better.

Essentially, the trolling you're receiving is because your trolls are uneducated and don't know how to handle diversity. It's originally *their* fault, not your clan's. But because of the sensitivity of this situation, it also becomes your clan's fault when refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation and as such be able to deliberately respond to or deliberately ignore it.

That's my opinion and if you want my thoughts on how exactly to respond or not respond to the trolls, then you're free to ask specific questions. My own personal opinion is also that you seem too narrow-minded in your innocence and in the reality of the situation.

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07-Jun-2016 08:08:05 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2016 09:13:19 by Vera

Salcos

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OMG. They arent trolling because of who I am. They are saying stuff like that because they found out, and now have a new tool to use against me. You are kinda missing the whole point.

The point is that the persistent trolling has continued to happen for a prolonged period of time. This is proof that the ignore, ban, and report options we are given are simply not enough, or the issues are not handled correctly.

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07-Jun-2016 08:12:16 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2016 08:15:50 by Salcos

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