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Sani btw

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In regards to the PvM cup; I think it's rather curious that Aura's would not be allowed, as they are vital to complete kills efficiently. To be honest, it might even upset a large group of people if you were to block all aura's instead of just Mahjarrat.

You should also take into account the rotation changes for the bosses that will be featured in the cup, as this can affect team-size and kill speed.

And in regards to the PvM organisers team; having people there that are highly experienced in one of the bosses that will be included in the cup might be benificial.

I hope that made sense, it's getting pretty late

07-Jul-2016 01:07:35 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 01:09:54 by Sani btw

Vera

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Sani btw said :
In regards to the PvM cup; I think it's rather curious that Aura's would not be allowed, as they are vital to complete kills efficiently. To be honest, it might even upset a large group of people if you were to block all aura's instead of just Mahjarrat.
True point actually. I agree the Mahjarrat aura would be unfair, even with just the 5% attack bonus, but that the vampirism aura is fine. It will only negligibly affect kill times, if at all, by reducing the time it takes to drink brews (or to eat food), but I think this sort of aid is condonable.

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07-Jul-2016 06:00:20 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 06:01:29 by Vera

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2011

Hopalong

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Sani btw said :
In regards to the PvM cup; I think it's rather curious that Aura's would not be allowed, as they are vital to complete kills efficiently. To be honest, it might even upset a large group of people if you were to block all aura's instead of just Mahjarrat.

You should also take into account the rotation changes for the bosses that will be featured in the cup, as this can affect team-size and kill speed.

And in regards to the PvM organisers team; having people there that are highly experienced in one of the bosses that will be included in the cup might be benificial.

I hope that made sense, it's getting pretty late

I'm kinda indifferent when it comes to auras, wouldn't mind not having them, wouldn't mind having them. There's +'s and -'s to it all. If you allow 1 though you should allow all, but that's just me.

Check out my suggestion from last page Sani for the PVM Cup, looking for some feedback.

PVM organisers team should be players experienced in the boss yes, but shouldn't be the people who are actually competing in it. Though, assuming enough things are in place and the competition being fair, it doesn't necessarily have to be the elite PVMers. I don't have a preference either way as long as things are done correctly. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

07-Jul-2016 06:06:57 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 06:08:09 by Hopalong

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Great responses so far

I only have a couple of minutes before I have to rush off to work so I'll address a couple of points quickly and the rest tonight (will also make some edits tonight).

@Hopalong

Mass recruiting
If we set memberlists in stone before the Cup starts to prevent mass recruiting we'll have to keep track of name changes and new members anyway. As clans may also not keep track themselves, they may be prone to inadvertent rulebreaking.

Failing to negotiate terms
Would be best to keep things simpler than last time (e.g. dungeoneering and 80+ items should be allowed) so participants are, again, less prone to inadvertent rulebreaking imo. However, by failing to negotiate terms, I mainly meant what happens if clans don't contact each other and nothing is set up - who goes through? how can we prove one clan made more effort to contact than the other?

PvM Cup rules
- I was thinking that clan representatives would compile and present us the best 5 vids at the end of the week. Was thinking this would allow scope for more players in the clan to give the competition a shot.
- 3 clips per player may create too many vids that organisers have to watch. Is there a strong reason why competitors can't just submit their one best?
- For Telos I was actually thinking of highest streak, with a determinant of highest final loot in case of a draw
- Rest of your posts I agree with and was thinking along the same lines

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Multiclanning
Refers to players competing for a clan, leaving then competing for another clan. It clearly ruins a identity of clans and the integrity of the competition =/

PvM
Quality of execution would be pretty difficult to quantify quickly and uniformly -

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07-Jul-2016 06:29:51 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 06:31:10 by Calm Enigma

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@Sani

Auras
Depends if we can see what aura is being used in the videos. If it's a group kill it'll definitely be difficult to confirm just the 50% damage bonus Mahj aura isn't being used.

PvM organisers
Should have experience, yes. Imo they could even be able to compete.

Notes to self
- Should ironman skilling be f2p only?
- Add rule to pvm than end of kill must be shown
- Add rule to pvm regarding number of players in the instance
- Check if enhanced mahjarrat aura has a visual effect different from other auras -

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07-Jul-2016 06:29:57 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 06:31:21 by Calm Enigma

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Also we could try to use the summer's skilling aura - good shout Hop. I think getting the competition planned, the organisers settled while also having everything advertised and clans signed in under 3 weeks might be unrealistic though. Imo we need 2-3 weeks for advertising alone (ideally 3) -

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07-Jul-2016 07:03:38

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2011

Hopalong

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@Mass Recruiting
There are crude methods I can use/show someone that can be used to track name changes along with the memberlists of each Clan. Though, this is only if people want Memberlists to be static.

@Failing to Negotiate Terms
I see now. That's a tough issue and would be on the Dispute team would work on and come to an agreement on, on a case-by-case basis. There's no clear empirical way to dq them other than screenshots of attempts, and even those can be faked/staged/framed to be unfair.

@clan reps presenting the top 5
This is a good idea, I actually didn't think of this. The only problem I can foresee here is that if there's a problem with one of the videos, the organizer can't see other attempts they might have done to possibly speed up a dispute process. Still, I admit this is probably the better way to do it (puts legit like 90% of the PVM Cup's work on their shoulders).

@3 clips
This was again used in conjunction with the above to speed up the process if there's something wrong with one of the clips. Doing the above passes the onus down to the reps, which I'm OK with. Just it might mean more work for the dispute team down the line, but more than likely not as much as it would to analyze all 3 clips as the organizer.

@Telos
I'm fine with doing highest killstreak for one challenge with that tie breaker. I'd like to do more than 1 Telos challenge since it's new and everyone's still experimenting.

@PVM Cup
I'll post more ideas here in a couple hours.

@Auras
Does the buff bar show the mahjarrat aura icon/the icon of the aura in use? AFAIK it's only a general aura active icon. If there's no distinguishing the mahjarrat aura from a normal aura then they should be banned. This also reminded me that buff bars need to be displayed throughout the fight.

@Organizers being allowed to compete
I guess I'm OK with it if everyone else is, but it will just seem downright scummy to the ill-informed if there's a dispute and they come out on top. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

07-Jul-2016 12:16:01 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 12:17:22 by Hopalong

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2011

Hopalong

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@Illumination & Skilling Cup
Aye and that's kinda why if we'd like to utilize it and possible scrap together some form of the Skilling Cup it'd be better to do that ASAP. The only downside is that the competitors need to "waste" one day on that, which all things considered is much better than not having it at all (IMHO).

While the other Cups might not be ready, possibly having the Skilling Cup out a few weeks before the others start up might be worth looking into - At least, if we want to do it that way. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

07-Jul-2016 12:16:21

Apr

2021

Sani btw

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Calm Enigma said :

- Check if enhanced mahjarrat aura has a visual effect different from other auras
Spotted this

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As it's going to be people sending in clips, you can make it a requirement that the equipment is shown on screen during the whole kill. This way you can simply look at the aura slot and see what aura the player is using.

And I also think that Mahjarrat has the same visual effect as any other combat aura.

EDIT: Just saw/thought of group bosses, and yeah that is going to be awkward... I honestly have no idea how one could check the rest of the team. Unless Jagex can provide some kind of tool that blocks Mahjarrat aura, but that's probably unlikely.

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Again, aura talk; Aura's such as Supreme Runic Accuracy are absolutely vital for quick/efficient end-game bossing. I still strongly believe that we should allow some, but then again the Berserk aura's are a bit overpowered.

The three Berserk aura's are; Maniacal, Reckless and Berserker (Magic, Ranged and Melee).

07-Jul-2016 13:01:07 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2016 13:03:41 by Sani btw

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Made some changes:
- 20v20 to 15v15 for PvP Cup
- Ironman skilling cup made F2P only so people don't have to spend cash on a new account to compete
- Added PvM rule so noone else is allowed in solo instance kills
- Added highest Telos killstreak and Yakamaru speedkills to possible PvM Cups
- Added Cooking, Smithing and Crafting to possible Skilling Cups since they involve having to both gather and then create resources on an ironman, which should be interesting
- Allowed auras except Mahjarrat in PvM

@Viv
- Did not add slayer to list of possible Skilling Cups due to the RNG with getting tasks + the fact the tourny may be f2p accounts only

@Hop
- I think it's best if we get all the Cups to start at the same time for consistency personally. I also quite like the idea of having to ironman skilling rather than just grind out the usual high-level methods tbh

@Sani
- Doesn't seem like Mahjarrat displays any differently from other auras =/
- Asking players to show both their inventory and equipment at the same time could help prevent the use of Mahj, but could be overlooked + showing equipment consistently throughout the kill may require players to change their interface. If it's just required that they show their equipment at the start of the kill we could allow auras imo
- The reason why I wanted to disallow Mahj only is because it's limited to premier members + really really horrendously op

Working on some other edits atm -

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