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Calm Enigma

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Clan Cup organiser selection process suggestion:

- Matthe makes an autohidden Clan Cup organiser application thread in the CLF with a couple of evaluative questions, open for one week and chooses 5-10 people
- The players picked then choose the rest of the team and appoint a Chair and Heads themselves

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- Added some duties for organisers on the first page -
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07-Jul-2016 19:44:02

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About PvM again;

In the previous cups, clans have always won the PvM Cup by simply their clan size. If you judge the PvM Cup solely on kill-count then any clan that has a large amount of active members can win.

Instead, we should try and counter that this year and instead base the majority of the end-results on skills showed, efficiency and difficulty.

However kc doesn't need to be left behind completely, as long as we can find a way to prevent the mass-clans from claiming the Cup before it has even started.

07-Jul-2016 21:46:50

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Okay here is my honest opinion... Mainly about the skilling cup. Doesn't creating a new ironman account for just the cup sound overly complicated? I hate to say this but maybe we should keep it simple like we've done in years past.

The pvm cup I do like the idea of. I was thinking of most kills within a time period or something like that. Also add vorago araxxor and maybe rots to pvm.

As for pvp I know there is big debate for rcw vs grotto. I don't like rcw because the point system is very ummm random? Where grotto is simply just kill other team.

As for clan member lists, here is my idea. There is a registration deadline. Once the deadline has come, the chairs need to take screenshots of the clan lists. (The members list on runescape website). Once taken, this is the final list and no one new can join. I would also sticky a thread for "name changes" so if someone does change their name, the clan leader must report that on the thread.

Overall, I'm glad this is coming back. We need this event to shine this year for the 15th anniversary of runescape.

P.S. I would love to see the combined cup make a comeback since the issue regarding needing runes to Mage has been fixed and not bugged anymore within stealing creation.
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07-Jul-2016 23:35:15

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Oh and one more thing..... Sorry for the double post. We need a format for each cup to give it a thrill!

Example: the pvp cups are simple... Single elimination tournament format.

I believe hopalong used a points based leaderboard for pvm cup which would also work.

We could also have clan vs clan skilling event. I'm going to use your ironman strategy...
Where instead of having leaderboard compare the averages of ea clan vs each other in a tournament style too.

This is how it work... Clan A vs clan B... Clan A's average for its 10 players was 1.2m exp in the 6 hour period... Clan b average was 1.1m, clan A wins and moves onto next week.
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07-Jul-2016 23:57:18

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GEE0H said :
Doesn't creating a new ironman account for just the cup sound overly complicated? I think it sounds like fun. I know that
Lisaa
's clan did an ironman competition within their clan and she reported great success on
Andras
' "Share Your Events" thread.

Have clan cups been traditionally very combat oriented? Don't know if that's the case but I'd like to see more minigame-based competitions tbh, even Castle Wars (and I know that involves combat, but still)
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08-Jul-2016 00:11:26

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GEE0H said :
Okay here is my honest opinion... Mainly about the skilling cup. Doesn't creating a new ironman account for just the cup sound overly complicated? I hate to say this but maybe we should keep it simple like we've done in years past.

I agree it sounds complicated, but I think if we are to use ironman accounts, things need to be different than to just grind a new skill week on week for 6 hours.
I'm writing up some ideas currently.
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08-Jul-2016 00:12:41 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2016 00:21:12 by Yt-Haar

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Ok I've had some thoughts about the Skilling Cup. I'm a bit confused as to the structure of the proposed system. You've labelled the skills "Cups", are you proposing each skilling week is a separate Cup?

And also, are you suggesting a new iron man account is to be created for each week/skill? My concern with this is that it’s rather heavy on bond/membership cost. You've not mentioned how many weeks there will be, but I think others would agree that clannies won't be too fond to submit 10m per week.
I saw it myself last year that some weeks were a struggle just to get 10 people to complete 1 hour for free. Therefore the structure to this cup currently, would seem an expensive investment for the average clan. I also think it’s going to be difficult to pick a skill for each week that everyone will agree is "right" for the competition.

Personally, having thought this over, I’m not too keen on the idea of making a P2P ironman account each week, grinding a skill for 6 hours, repeat for 4 weeks, then for only 1 clan to get winning recognition.
Perhaps 2-5 clans will take a solid interest in going "all-out" for the whole tournament but after a couple weeks, most clans will lose interest and see the 10m entry as a waste and not bother with the rest of the tournament.
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08-Jul-2016 00:32:04

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I’d like to propose the following for the skilling cup:

The competition remains using ironman only accounts,
We make each week a Separate Cup, each week is a different category of skills; Artisans, Combatants, Gathers, Support. Participants should aim to accomplish the highest average level across all the skills in the category. The top 5 scores from each clan are to be used.
I think categories make the competition more interesting and also rules out issues with people complaining about certain skills being/not being included.
Time limits can be the same, 6 hours, maybe more or less (should be discussed, perhaps depends on the category as some include a lot more skills)

So there would be 4 weeks in total. 4 winners, therefore 4 rewards needed - which may be infeasible on Jagex's behalf and would need to be checked. (Perhaps rewards could be more tailored towards the skill category? Ideas needed, otherwise standard concept art?/ava buffs)
Not sure if people would be fond of 4 different Skilling Cups though, we could combine Cups to produce a singular winner, but each week in itself would be quite a competition and to attract as much interest, separate cups would stop clans giving up half way through the tournament.

I think category skilling makes things much more interesting, reduces the grind aspect of just rushing through a skill in 6 hours, within categories, teams will have to be smart and efficient about the best way to reach a high average level amongst the categories. For example – would doing certain skills first help level other skills simultaneously etc.
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08-Jul-2016 00:32:08 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2016 00:34:07 by Yt-Haar

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Cont..

This structure would be much more different to Jagex’s 1 skill/week on a regular account for previous years and may or may not attract more interest for an unusual challenge.

Also to note, the combatant category could be removed if people didn’t feel it was necessary to be included as a “skilling cup”, then there would be just 3 Cups.

I think this is a better proposal to the Skilling Cup, I think as players running it, things are going to be different compared to Jagex running it, so it’s good to go with a new structure.
I also think once ava buff bonuses become technically possible (code should be produced within next months for last years winners) this would be an easy reward for the 3-4 winners of the Cups.

I am still a bit uncertain about the popularity of this though, given its ironman mode and P2P, participants will need to invest a bond into each Cup. Perhaps it would be a reasonable reward for top 2-3 clans to receive 5-10 bonds (which pays for the cost of entry too and may eliminate the cost barrier which may put some clans off?). I know that last year, my clan and others received 10 bonds for winning applicable cups, so maybe that would be a feasible additional reward for the top clans for each week.

So a tl;dr for my suggestion:

4 Skilling Category Cups; Artisans, Combatants, Gathers and Support. Participants aim to achieve the highest average level across the skills included within the category within a time limit. This must be done from scratch on P2P ironman account.
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