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Chief Popeye said :
Without checking every single page, has a JMOD even bothered to reply? The OP raised many valid points, yet it all seems to go unanswered.

Maybe he should take to twitter, then paste the replies on here.

I had posted multiple times on this thread and have been engaging similar issues on other threads within the CLF. Given the content of the OP I cannot really give a direct answer in a way other than the ways I have already answered such points in other threads, so a direct response seemed less than useful to anyone. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

16-Nov-2015 10:54:40

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Blasty

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Chief Popeye said :
Without checking every single page, has a JMOD even bothered to reply? The OP raised many valid points, yet it all seems to go unanswered.

Maybe he should take to twitter, then paste the replies on here.

It's quite unfair to make an accusation about effort without putting effort into validating your accusation.

In response to this thread, it's very easy to assign blame and ask for lots of things, and takes more time to design and create solutions.

Is the list in the OP the best way to solve the problems clans are facing? How helpful is it really to ask for dozens of features when most of them will probably have a small impact on clan growth but take a lot of time to develop.

The people in your clan's management team have much more power to affect your clan's growth than clan updates. Discussing ideas with the people who recruit for your clan, mentor in your clan, and keep your clan mates entertained will be much more effective than asking for a cosmetic clan cloak update.

Those are the people who know exactly what state your clan is in, and can give you the advice your clan needs and whether or not it's worth spending time on other things instead.

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16-Nov-2015 13:07:53

Zori

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Gosh that took a while to read lol.

The cynicism in this thread is hard to deal with. If I was a Jmod, seeing that kind of negativity would be such a drainer.

I joined the CLF around the time when the permission rewrite threads had just been put up and I was very excited for the additions to my clan. Sadly, of course, much of what was promised didn't make it into the game.

As clan leaders, we have the privilege to be leading a number of people in all aspects of the game. Find your niche. If you don't enjoy it, then find something that you enjoy.

16-Nov-2015 13:12:10

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Lisaa

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I have to ask...is CLF even useful anymore?

When we suggest ideas, they can't ever be done for some reason or another. When clan updates happen, we're never asked about it beforehand, and our feedback afterwards means nothing. When we express our displeasure over updates, we're told it makes you guys not want to give us updates in the future.

So giving feedback via CLF is basically out of the question. So what's left? Talking to each other is about it, but do we really need a private forum for that? I'm pretty sure we can organize ourselves offsite and use the offsite methods to have more clan tools than what we have now. Even now as I type, my website coder for my website for RS clans is working on integrating Google Spreadsheets into the site.

My point? We're reaching the breaking point where we can find more help for our clans away from the Runescape site itself. CLF is no longer effective at communicating idea or feedback to Jagex. It's really sad when we can do more for ourselves offsite than Jagex is doing for us currently.

Am I saying that CLF should be deleted because it serves no effective purpose? No. What I'm saying is that something needs to change soon so our feedback is taken into consideration. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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16-Nov-2015 13:51:11

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Gluepot

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Zyphix said :
^ Clan updates are for the benefit of all - it's a gameplay development feature, not a 'perk' or to add 'personal appeal' - at least, not the ReWrite or parts of it. That was REALLY important in terms of improving interaction among the entire game's community; at least those involved with clans. And since most people are in clans, I'd guess at least 80% or more than half.

I would disagree that Clan updates are to the benefit of all, especially since some clans won't use them and some clans will so even if everyone was in a clan, it is not as simple as affecting everyone.

As for saying 80% I'd probably disagree with it being that high. I am curious as to what percentage of players are in clans though. I'd guess at about 50% but I've no idea really.

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16-Nov-2015 14:31:29

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Gluepot

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Lisaa said :
I have to ask...is CLF even useful anymore?

So giving feedback via CLF is basically out of the question. So what's left? Talking to each other is about it, but do we really need a private forum for that? I'm pretty sure we can organize ourselves offsite and use the offsite methods to have more clan tools than what we have now. Even now as I type, my website coder for my website for RS clans is working on integrating Google Spreadsheets into the site.

Like I said earlier, we can talk a discuss how we're getting on with our clans. This information is also useful to Jagex which is why Jagex are happy to have a dedicated forum for us. I've seen many many times over the years players commenting how nice our forums are compared to the "wild west" of other areas of the Runescape forums and that intellectual discussions do take place.

I'm looking forward to your offsite stuff. But an offsite forum for clan leaders (which I have no doubt would spring up if this forum were to close) would have biases to which clans would get in and turn into more of an alliance structure.

I'm happy to have this forum here for us.

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16-Nov-2015 14:35:55

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Gluepot said :
Zyphix said :
^ Clan updates are for the benefit of all - it's a gameplay development feature, not a 'perk' or to add 'personal appeal' - at least, not the ReWrite or parts of it. That was REALLY important in terms of improving interaction among the entire game's community; at least those involved with clans. And since most people are in clans, I'd guess at least 80% or more than half.

I would disagree that Clan updates are to the benefit of all, especially since some clans won't use them and some clans will so even if everyone was in a clan, it is not as simple as affecting everyone.

As for saying 80% I'd probably disagree with it being that high. I am curious as to what percentage of players are in clans though. I'd guess at about 50% but I've no idea really.

A reddit poll showed that 70+% of people (over 3000 voters) said we need clan updates in the game....just saying. Unlike you I am not pulling percentiles out of my rear end.

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16-Nov-2015 15:12:57 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2015 15:13:24 by Salcos

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Lisaa

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Gluepot said :
I'm happy to have this forum here for us.

I am too, don't get me wrong.

My concern though is that there's basically nothing we can do here that we can't do somewhere else. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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16-Nov-2015 15:34:07

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Salcos said :
Gluepot said :
Zyphix said :
^ Clan updates are for the benefit of all - it's a gameplay development feature, not a 'perk' or to add 'personal appeal' - at least, not the ReWrite or parts of it. That was REALLY important in terms of improving interaction among the entire game's community; at least those involved with clans. And since most people are in clans, I'd guess at least 80% or more than half.

I would disagree that Clan updates are to the benefit of all, especially since some clans won't use them and some clans will so even if everyone was in a clan, it is not as simple as affecting everyone.

As for saying 80% I'd probably disagree with it being that high. I am curious as to what percentage of players are in clans though. I'd guess at about 50% but I've no idea really.

A reddit poll showed that 70+% of people (over 3000 voters) said we need clan updates in the game....just saying. Unlike you I am not pulling percentiles out of my rear end.

I wouldn't use reddit as any kind of forecasting system. I can pull up a reddit post stating 70+ want free trade gone if I spent enough time to find it (and assuming it still exists). Betting that's a lie. Point being people upvote for various reasons. "When history witnesses a great change, Razgriz reveals itself... first, as a dark demon. As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land, and then it dies. However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero"

16-Nov-2015 15:53:39

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Active players are the important stats for most things. Active members in clans generally sits between 50 and 60%. Active F2P in clans is always much lower sitting at between 10% and 25% generally.

More data? I'll get in trouble at this rate

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16-Nov-2015 15:58:33

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