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Lyrehca

Lyrehca

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Mod Shauny said :
Lyrehca said :
Mod Shauny said :
Alrighty here's where we're at.
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Also, will admins be able to track how the total avatar gathering is progressing via Pet Details, as now? or will this be available at the Habitat stone?
They'll only be limited to gather one resource at a time between them.

Luckily, there is a way you can track them, when you hit specific %'s the entire clan will get a message.

"Your clan avatars have gathered all the resources they can this week."

OR....

"Your clan avatars have gathered % of their weekly cap."

Hopefully this'll help you a bit :)
Thank you so much for the tracking ability! Will this message transmit to all clan members on at the time? Or just those in the Citadel?

03-Dec-2017 12:56:26

Tamarac Elf
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Tamarac Elf

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We've been Tier 7 with 3 avatars almost from the beginning. Looking at Mod Shauny's post regarding capping amounts, it would appear that maintaining our citadel will not be an issue. We will mourn the loss of Mossy, Sparky, and Bob though. They've been beloved members of our clan for years.

We've used our avatars to support our smithers with a good supply of charcoal, but I wonder how we will manage those times when one avatar could be devoted to provisions/cloth while the other two continued their charcoal production.

Overall, I think these changes will be amazing for all of our clan members and for clans in general. Thank you Mod Shauny for picking up this project and bringing it to fruition.

Tam
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03-Dec-2017 18:48:46

Luna Kitten
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Luna Kitten

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Just an idea:


We have a ranking system for a reason, why not use that for the extra 3% instead of Fealty Rank? That way people would stop complaining about how capping is pointless, and people would actually have incentive to rank up.
For example:

I'd like to set the 3% XP Boost Avatar access for Lieutenants.
I'd like to set the 4% boost for Captains
5% boost for Generals
and 6% boost for Admins


It would work out sooo well if you could just let Leaders choose what is best for their clan. With the new Citadel totals being reduced to almost nothing, there is even less point to capping and ranking up in the clan. I'd really like to encourage my members to do so by attending events that take quite a long time to plan and set up.
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03-Dec-2017 20:32:29 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 20:39:58 by Luna Kitten

Sicariu
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Luna Kitten said :

I think this idea gives too much room for abuse within the clan settings, and it would likely be much more difficult to code. I can imagine small disputes causing players to get demoted, thus decreasing their xp boost unfairly, or even demotions as a bad joke to clan members who are xp grinders.

I don't think it would be fair to limit clan members from xp bonuses just because of a lower clan rank since every single clan in this game does promotions and structures their ranking systems differently. That being said, I feel there would be a very small percentage of clans who would be onboard with such a suggestion, especially after it's already been announced publicly that everyone will be able to access the Avatar buffs.

If your members are capping to maintain fealty for the maximum xp boosts, you can reward their Citadel contributions with promotions. :) ~ Sicariu
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03-Dec-2017 20:47:36 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 20:48:06 by Sicariu

Luna Kitten
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Luna Kitten

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Then why have a ranking system at all? There is literally no point.
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03-Dec-2017 20:49:43

Luna Kitten
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Also, people should know about the clan's structure before joining, that's what a clan forum is for.
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03-Dec-2017 20:50:14

Luna Kitten
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Again, just let clan leaders decide. If people don't like what the clan leaders have chosen, then they can choose another clan to join.
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03-Dec-2017 20:51:26 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 20:53:41 by Luna Kitten

Sicariu
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Sicariu

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I'm just pointing out that you seem to only be basing ranking systems on one, single factor.

What about everything else that can be taken into consideration?
I'll take a quote from my clan's recruitment thread:
Sicariu said :
Criteria Considered For All Promotions


» Activeness (in Clan Chat, This Forum, RS, TeamSpeak, Discord)
» Attend Anti-Crashes
» Attend/Host Clan Events
» Bump This Thread
» Cap Citadel
» Clan Loyalty
» Follow/Enforce Clan Rules
» Leadership
» Maturity/Attitude
» PvM Actively
» PvM Gear/Weapons
» Recruiting
» Trustworthiness
And again just for emphasis:
Sicariu said :
every single clan in this game does promotions and structures their ranking systems differently.
No clan's ranking system is wrong, but locking an xp bonus behind clan leaders who decide who gets a bonus or not is unfair.

In the current system, low ranking clan members are granted 3% for being on the same world as an Admin with an Avatar, or 6% by skilling near that Admin, for depositing 300 orts for the week. Your suggestion would effectively allow clans to restrict their members from receiving these benefits, thus making the update significantly worse for them when it should be beneficial to every single RuneScape member who is an active member of a clan. ~ Sicariu
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03-Dec-2017 21:02:11 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2017 21:03:05 by Sicariu

Lyrehca

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Luna Kitten said :
Just an idea:


We have a ranking system for a reason, why not use that for the extra 3% instead of Fealty Rank? That way people would stop complaining about how capping is pointless, and people would actually have incentive to rank up.
For example:

I'd like to set the 3% XP Boost Avatar access for Lieutenants.
I'd like to set the 4% boost for Captains
5% boost for Generals
and 6% boost for Admins


It would work out sooo well if you could just let Leaders choose what is best for their clan. With the new Citadel totals being reduced to almost nothing, there is even less point to capping and ranking up in the clan. I'd really like to encourage my members to do so by attending events that take quite a long time to plan and set up.

As an owner, even I would get frustrated to log in mornings to see a lone admin in chat with avatar summoned for their own 6% xp buff, only to see them gone when others started logging into the game. The avatars are meant to benefit the clan as a whole, and shouldn't be limited to selective rank.

I don't see there being less point to capping with these changes. Capping shouldn't be much of an issue and I could easily see more clans letting their members gather any resources they wish for personal xp benefit if they wish once the new lower upkeep is met, especially if they can gain a 6% bonus xp or capping in half the time without having to wait on a warden.

I also don't see there being less point to ranking up. While my clan does look at fealty for promotion at higher levels, it is not the sole criteria for upranking members, especially lower leveled ones. There is a world of options clans have to determine ranking criterion, letting leaders choose what is indeed best for their individual clan.

03-Dec-2017 21:05:35

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