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Kera
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Am I a lone voice in not disliking the new system ?
By no means are you a lone voice. I personally like it as well, however I'm also not against improvements
Am I a lone voice in not disliking the new system ?
By no means are you a lone voice. I personally like it as well, however I'm also not against improvements
29-Jan-2015 19:06:34 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2015 19:24:08 by Ryanc360
Mod Moltare
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In this case the difficulty arises as follows:
Yes, there's checks existing for "This Clan Member Is On Probation" in the code.
However, it's stored in their clan profile using clan data and clan-specific engine commands.
Under the new mode I've seen suggested, they can be on their 7-day cooldown while not a member of a clan.
While not a member of a clan they have no access to their clan data (on account of not having a clan to have data for) and therefore the clan-specific engine commands are not of use.
Therefore we can't reuse any of the existing probation code.
Similarly, clan probation code as it stood was centralised such that it could be referenced in other content that used clan-specific commands - like the citadel. We'd need, to get use out of your proposed system, to include checks for things like Clan Wars... and Clan Wars is not clan-specific content, was written before clan-specific code existed, and doesn't have that framework available.
Therefore the architecture of the existing probation code wouldn't be much use either.
We could store clan cooldown information on the player - although that would defy the extant convention of storing clan information within clan data, it would be justifiable in this case with some fast talking - but we'd need to reference that through a new check added to each individual piece of relevant content and then test every bit of content we've added it to.
That's not the trivial job some believe it is. Joys of working with a legacy codebase, I'm afraid - there are some very obvious and simple solutions that become a nightmare when you have to factor around what would take significant time investment to rework.
Thanks for the explanation Mod Moltare! I found this very interesting to read.
In this case the difficulty arises as follows:
Yes, there's checks existing for "This Clan Member Is On Probation" in the code.
However, it's stored in their clan profile using clan data and clan-specific engine commands.
Under the new mode I've seen suggested, they can be on their 7-day cooldown while not a member of a clan.
While not a member of a clan they have no access to their clan data (on account of not having a clan to have data for) and therefore the clan-specific engine commands are not of use.
Therefore we can't reuse any of the existing probation code.
Similarly, clan probation code as it stood was centralised such that it could be referenced in other content that used clan-specific commands - like the citadel. We'd need, to get use out of your proposed system, to include checks for things like Clan Wars... and Clan Wars is not clan-specific content, was written before clan-specific code existed, and doesn't have that framework available.
Therefore the architecture of the existing probation code wouldn't be much use either.
We could store clan cooldown information on the player - although that would defy the extant convention of storing clan information within clan data, it would be justifiable in this case with some fast talking - but we'd need to reference that through a new check added to each individual piece of relevant content and then test every bit of content we've added it to.
That's not the trivial job some believe it is. Joys of working with a legacy codebase, I'm afraid - there are some very obvious and simple solutions that become a nightmare when you have to factor around what would take significant time investment to rework.
Thanks for the explanation Mod Moltare! I found this very interesting to read.
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29-Jan-2015 20:18:38
Ryanc360
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Kera said :
Am I a lone voice in not disliking the new system ?
By no means are you a lone voice. I personally like it as well, however I'm also not against improvements
Absolutely not. I also support.
What about my visibility suggestion on page two that got lost or ignored between dissent posts/responses?
Kera said :
Am I a lone voice in not disliking the new system ?
By no means are you a lone voice. I personally like it as well, however I'm also not against improvements
Absolutely not. I also support.
What about my visibility suggestion on page two that got lost or ignored between dissent posts/responses?
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29-Jan-2015 20:40:44
I see a lot of skeptical posters, regarding why it's 2015 and Jagex seemingly has trouble making suggestions and improvements happen on things that appear to be a simple "copy and paste" (
) job that's been done similarly on games from the late 1990's. I don't think these suggestions / improvements are copy & paste, or an overnight job at all. I just don't think they are as difficult to implement as they make it out to be. I think the real source of the problem is the lack of dev resources available to them, QA, Testing, Coding... They will likely never admit this (and they shouldn't), but the reason you're not seeing good things implemented in 2015...... is just the lack of dev they have available.
If you think these wild investment adventures like Transformers Universe, that card game, and all that other junk Jagex' spend and lose money on doesn't effect us? Well, it does. This is the result. They are forced to cherry pick through suggestions and updates that may be of less quality than another suggestion or not fully implement said suggestion, etc.
Disappointed 10+ year customer right here.
) job that's been done similarly on games from the late 1990's. I don't think these suggestions / improvements are copy & paste, or an overnight job at all. I just don't think they are as difficult to implement as they make it out to be. I think the real source of the problem is the lack of dev resources available to them, QA, Testing, Coding... They will likely never admit this (and they shouldn't), but the reason you're not seeing good things implemented in 2015...... is just the lack of dev they have available.
If you think these wild investment adventures like Transformers Universe, that card game, and all that other junk Jagex' spend and lose money on doesn't effect us? Well, it does. This is the result. They are forced to cherry pick through suggestions and updates that may be of less quality than another suggestion or not fully implement said suggestion, etc.
Disappointed 10+ year customer right here.
Suggestion regarding the probation / cooldown system:
Fix guesting. You know what I'm talking about. It's been said a billion times. Find a way to do it. Make it so we have more options and control over guests, who join, etc. Do that and I'll quit fussing.
P.S.
It was all I could do to make sure there was no mild-in-general profanity in this post. I didn't want to give anyone the slightest reason to hide this post. I think it's atrocious the reasons they'll find to hide someone's post on these private forums.
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29-Jan-2015 21:02:55 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2015 21:20:52 by Body btw
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