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AoDude

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Moonsy said :
Fisha said :
I noticed something kind of troubling with this update yesterday.

A member of our clan wanted to leave, but for some reason he was insisting that we kick him from the clan rather than him just simply leaving. I had assumed that whether you got kicked from a clan or left voluntarily he would still have to wait the 7 days so I told him that and to just leave on his own. He then contacted multiple ranks through out the clan to which they said they would only kick him if he started breaking clan rules.

Sure enough, he started breaking clan rules. Bringing in people from his new clan to troll to which we had to turn guesting off, and threatening to crash me and some clanmates at Vorago which we were doing while this was all happening. Eventually we wound up kicking him before he did something even worse, and apparently he was able to join a new clan immediately.

I understand why the system is like that, but if word got out to everyone that this was a way to bypass the 7 day probation, it could happen more frequently in many clans.

This worries me a lot as well. I'm frightened this will encourage members to break rules to get a kick so they can join another clan right away.

I haven't seen this myself, but if someone like that acted out for a kick with the intention of circumventing the 7 day cooldown. I would check that they did indeed abuse that bug, and then seriously think about reporting them for bug abuse.
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02-Feb-2015 20:40:43 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2015 20:43:10 by AoDude

Fisha

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AoDude,

I wouldn't really classify it as bug abuse, but rather abusing the system.

Like I said, I can understand why the system is like that. However, I can see it causing a huge problem in the future once more people start to find out about this. I can't really blame the guy for wanting to bypass the 7 day wait, and I'm not trying to get this guy banned from the game.

In my eyes this problem does need to be fixed, although the only way to fix it would be to make people have to wait 7 days after getting kicked from a clan, which might be a problem for some people who get wrongfully kicked from a clan.

When I look at Mod MattHe's guidelines to making suggestions on the new probation system, it contradicts with a few things:

1) To ensure there is at least one weeks delay on Citadel skilling when swapping Clans.
A player would be able to get into a new clan immediately and cap.

2) To ensure there is at least one weeks delay on receiving Clan benefits when swapping Clans. eg Avatar buffs
A Player would also be able to use the clan avatar as soon as they got 300 orts (1-2 days depending on what time they leave)

3) To ensure there is at least one weeks delay on participating in any Clan-based competitions when swapping Clans.
This would obviously be a big problem in the clan cup. Allied clans would be able to swap clan mates when needed.

4) Must be an implementation that is technically feasible (don't worry we'll tell you if it is or not)
I'm not sure on how exactly the way this is coded, but it seems easily fixable.

5) Must minimise any impact to first time Clan joiners/new players.
I guess this impacts every clan member whether this is your first clan or not.

02-Feb-2015 21:01:03

SofaKing

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Scret said :
Whitelist is a decent idea and all but its really not a solution to people not being able to instantly join which is bascally the problem people want solving.

Whitelist is just an alternative to guesting.

Keep in mind the reason for this uproar is that people want to instantly invite people and have them join.
The reason it is a problem (people cant insta-join) is that they have to guest chat. If your clan recruits 2 people every day of the week who are waiting cooldown, then you will find you start to have 12 guests in chat every day of each week thereafter, who are all only there to wait for the cooldown to end so they can finally join. This makes it near impossible to close clanchat to guests and jeopardizes the security of the clan, you never know which new guest is actually an alt account or the friend of someone who's banned from the clan, there is just too many new names to keep up with without a whitelist.

This is my main concern with the cooldown, guest traffic, and seeing how the whitelist would allow them to join in a manner like probation did (approved guest rank), I still see no better alternative.

If sending an invite to people who have cooldown, sent them an invitation to join the whitelist instead, then would they not technically be joining as a probationary member?

Also, though it would be convenient if guests on the whitelist could be automatically promoted to recruit once their probation ends, I've found most guests will just ask for an invite and you can send them one during an event or something. If there were a whitelist to add these people to, then leadership would at least have a reference to who needs an invite still.

02-Feb-2015 21:02:34 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2015 21:43:06 by SofaKing

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Thylordship

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Fisha said :
I understand why the system is like that, but if word got out to everyone that this was a way to bypass the 7 day probation, it could happen more frequently in many clans. I'm of the strong belief that this is a bug related to the update that you can bypass the cooldown period to rejoin the previous clan you were in after being kicked. I hope this is the case at least...

02-Feb-2015 21:53:36

DrBrokenBow

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Thylordship,
Being able to rejoin the clan you just left/were kicked from is intentional.
Being able to join any clan after being kicked (as opposed to leaving) is not intentional and is, in fact, a bug that I believe Maz is aware of. MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of

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02-Feb-2015 21:56:30

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Thylordship

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DrBrokenBow said :
Thylordship,
Being able to rejoin the clan you just left/were kicked from is intentional.
Being able to join any clan after being kicked (as opposed to leaving) is not intentional and is, in fact, a bug that I believe Maz is aware of. Well that's good. Now to decide if it's better to spread the word among the admins about this or keep it secret so that it doesn't leak out to potential trolls...

02-Feb-2015 22:01:00

SofaKing

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Thylordship said :
DrBrokenBow said :
Thylordship,
Being able to rejoin the clan you just left/were kicked from is intentional.
Being able to join any clan after being kicked (as opposed to leaving) is not intentional and is, in fact, a bug that I believe Maz is aware of. Well that's good. Now to decide if it's better to spread the word among the admins about this or keep it secret so that it doesn't leak out to potential trolls...
I've used this knowledge once..
A previously inactve sergeant in a dead expansion of my clan logged in and needed transfer. So i hopped on my alt account in the expansion, kicked him, then got back on my main and recruited him right away ^_^

02-Feb-2015 22:02:49

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Chococino

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The only problem with the new probation we have is the amount of guests we have atm and not knowing which are joining, friends, trolls or spies.

A clan friends list would be nice for new recruits waiting to join, this would make them a special guest sort of like a temporary member whilst allowing us to still close clan chat to the rest of the public if we needed to.

02-Feb-2015 22:32:20

DrBrokenBow

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Thylordship said :
DrBrokenBow said :
Thylordship,
Being able to rejoin the clan you just left/were kicked from is intentional.
Being able to join any clan after being kicked (as opposed to leaving) is not intentional and is, in fact, a bug that I believe Maz is aware of. Well that's good. Now to decide if it's better to spread the word among the admins about this or keep it secret so that it doesn't leak out to potential trolls...

Keep it a secret. Although others will spread it, it's not our job to help spread glitches. They shouldn't be taken advantage of, no matter how minor they are.
And yes, even though I hate the current 7 day wait, I am saying let them have the 7 days because glitches aren't intended and shouldn't be abused. MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of

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02-Feb-2015 22:33:15

Fisha

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DrBrokenBow said :
Thylordship said :
DrBrokenBow said :
Thylordship,
Being able to rejoin the clan you just left/were kicked from is intentional.
Being able to join any clan after being kicked (as opposed to leaving) is not intentional and is, in fact, a bug that I believe Maz is aware of. Well that's good. Now to decide if it's better to spread the word among the admins about this or keep it secret so that it doesn't leak out to potential trolls...

Keep it a secret. Although others will spread it, it's not our job to help spread glitches. They shouldn't be taken advantage of, no matter how minor they are.
And yes, even though I hate the current 7 day wait, I am saying let them have the 7 days because glitches aren't intended and shouldn't be abused.

Keep it a secret, the person I talked about in my post has spread it to a few of our clan mates and since then, another person has asked for a kick.

02-Feb-2015 23:02:57

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