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KitKat
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Tbh when I saw the title my thought was, oh another remove upkeep thread but today I actually read thru it.
We are a small clan that has never had a problem meeting upkeep but with that said, I always worry about it.
I don't support never going down Tiers. It would seem silly to see a bunch of Tier 7 clans with 5 people in them.
I do agree tho, that dilapidation occurs way too quickly and would support a change to this.
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24-Apr-2017 18:40:52

Subzero

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KitKat said :
I don't support never going down Tiers. It would seem silly to see a bunch of Tier 7 clans with 5 people in them.

Why would it be silly? I don't see why it would be silly.

I'd just assume that they were once a great/powerful Clan that earned a Tier 7 Citadel; it would be like cementing their history.

All they have is "Tier 7" written next to their clan. They aren't getting any benefits out of it if they aren't maintaining upkeep.


If it was really that big of a deal you could just hide the Citadel Tier whilst dilapidated, or grey it out - to show that the Citadel is not being maintained, but that was the Tier that was ocne achieved.
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24-Apr-2017 19:51:09 - Last edited on 24-Apr-2017 19:51:29 by Subzero

Pescao6
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KitKat said :
I don't support never going down Tiers. It would seem silly to see a bunch of Tier 7 clans with 5 people in them.
If you're concerned about the Clan HiScores, Jagex could hide/filter from the Clan HiScores all Clans that didn't have at least 30 Total Members and at least 5 who gained XP during the last month.

Subzero said :
If it was really that big of a deal you could just hide the Citadel Tier whilst dilapidated, or grey it out - to show that the Citadel is not being maintained, but that was the Tier that was [once] achieved.
+1 That would also work in-game.
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24-Apr-2017 20:07:02

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KitKat said :
I'm not worried about hiscores or anything, just stating my opinion that if my clan dies then at some point I'd expect to lose the Citadel.

You may expect it, but that doesn't equate to it being fair.

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Imagine if you didn't play for two weeks and your stats started dropping; this is similar to what happens with the Citadel. Your clan could spend months going from Tier 6 to Tier 7, and in only two bad weeks they could lose it all.

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I don't think anyone can actually justify the loss of tiers as being a fair mechanic.

When I fail to meet the 'upkeep' for my Completionist's cape I don't have to earn the entire cape again, so why do we have to earn the entire Citadel Tier again when we fail to meet its upkeep? It's overly punishing.

I wholly agree that you should temporarily lose access to bonus XP, Avatars, etc. from the Citadel when it's dilapidated, however the permanent loss of Tiers cannot be justified fairly.

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Plus, the whole mechanic is self-defeating.


If people don't like using the Citadel when it's at its best, then dropping Tiers isn't going to make them like it any more; it's just going to make them hate it more because it'll become less rewarding and it will feel like a punishment.
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25-Apr-2017 22:51:58 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2017 22:52:40 by Subzero

Scret
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KitKat said :
I'm not worried about hiscores or anything, just stating my opinion that if my clan dies then at some point I'd expect to lose the Citadel.

Dead clans should be wiped all together to be honest though.
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26-Apr-2017 10:32:45

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Scret said :
KitKat said :
I'm not worried about hiscores or anything, just stating my opinion that if my clan dies then at some point I'd expect to lose the Citadel.

Dead clans should be wiped all together to be honest though.

Maybe, but regardless - I don't think two weeks of low citadel activity equate to a dead clan. °ï¦ï° Ðuel (PvM) Forum °ï¦ï°
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28-Apr-2017 09:04:37 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2017 09:08:28 by Will Dee

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We do not agree that tiers should not be lost - that is considered a fundamental of the Citadel. We would probably remove the Citadel before we would look at removing the current maintenance requirements entirely. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

28-Apr-2017 10:59:33

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Mod Matthe said :
We would probably remove the Citadel before we would look at removing the current maintenance requirements entirely.

Yeah, you mentioned this previously in this thread.

However, I find it highly alarming that you would opt to delete content rather than make a small change to it.

Mod Matthe said :
We do not agree that tiers should not be lost - that is considered a fundamental of the Citadel.

I'm very interested to hear why you think it's appropriate for Clans to be able to lose potentially months of hard work in a matter of two bad weeks.

Because I see the loss of Tiers as fundamentally harsh. If a CLan is dropping Tiers then clearly they are struggling; what doesn't help a struggling clan is when you demotivate them further by stripping away from them something which took potentially months to earn.

At the very least it should take longer than two weeks to lose a Tier, or it should be easier to re-earn a Tier if you have previously held that Tier.

Note, I'm not asking for Upkeep to be removed - I agree that Upkeep should stay. I'm asking for Clans to not lose Tiers once they've worked hard to earn them.
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28-Apr-2017 19:36:01

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Scret said :
KitKat said :
I'm not worried about hiscores or anything, just stating my opinion that if my clan dies then at some point I'd expect to lose the Citadel.

Dead clans should be wiped all together to be honest though.

I don't see why this is necessary.

If it's to release Clan names, then the names of dead clans could be replaced with random characters (much like display names.)
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28-Apr-2017 19:37:00

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