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2023

Thylordship

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As a leader, it's your job to carry the clan through the times. If you want to jump ship at every single problem then I'm surprised that clan owner ever promoted you. A clan, as you have pointed out, don't really need permissions to survive.. at least in the short term. The biggest difference in our interpretations I'd say is the fact it can't be assumed the roles a clan owner had in place was planned in preparation of him leaving.

If you're going to leave and screw over a clan, odds are the system was built around the owner. To reiterate, this is not directed at clans who are succeeding but clans who don't have the tools needed.

And I disagree, you can't put in content such as a clan system that takes months to develop and require trust in strangers without a safety net and then expect people to care about communities. If you want to make it such a risky environment, then people will only care about the rewards they can get out of it so they know for a fact their time was justified. Why can't Jagex get involved with the leaderless clan scenario when it was them, as you've pointed out to me with your fc stories, that created it in the first place? Why can't they fix what they messed up?

And they might in fact want to be leader; every clan leader is a clan leader because they wanted to be. No one makes a clan unless they wanted to. Why should a person with that ambition that all good clan leaders have have his opinions be immediately discounted? They can still be legitimate. Why does the leader who no longer play supercede the rest of the active community?

Sure they could just leave, but what about the fact that those members were there in the first place to make that clan seem like it was succeeding to attract recruits and thus make it succeed being ignored too?

Why do all other clan members get treated like trash just because they didn't make the clan? They supported and played a critical role in that clan.

10-Dec-2013 21:10:27

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2021

KittyFlower

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Thylordship said :
And then follow that up with choosing to leave their friends for another is acknowledging that you care more about your stats and avatar over friends, which most people would rather deny and thus stay in the clan.

i think this is where you are misunderstanding me the most. im not telling him to join a different clan. im saying take every single person from the clan he is in. make a "new" clan with the same people. and just leave the inactives behind. same ranks and everything just a different chat to do it in where one of their own can hold the gold key rank

10-Dec-2013 21:40:25

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2023

Thylordship

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But to do that you have to agree from the admin, and if they all can agree, you have to then convince all of your members. A few would rather just keep what they have and ask to be left in the clan and be promoted to make a go of it. And then you have a rift of those who stay and those who won't. And then you those members who want to leave for the improved version of their clan have to decide which to pick if their friends want to stay in the old one. And if you tell the people that want to stay no they can't, well that creates resentment which isn't ideal for keeping people happy in the new clan. This is all assuming you can decide who becomes the new leader to begin with.

It's rarely as easy as simply saying just pick up and move; especially if there's more than one top ranking admin. Every single person in the clan has a different perspective and a few of those perspectives involves just staying and enjoying the clan they have right now with the leadership role vacant. While a few believe it smart to just make a new one.

At least, this is how it is in my experience.

10-Dec-2013 22:05:32

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2021

KittyFlower

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this is why i said if they are united. if they all want the leader to be active. and thats whats most important to them then they could do it. im not saying some wouldnt be lost and no clan is perfect including mine. it is just a matter of priorities

10-Dec-2013 22:22:22

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2023

Thylordship

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But then look at all this drama effort and forced to sacrifice one thing for another, all because one guy decided to stop playing. Yes this is how things are currently done, but why does this have to remain the case? The act of replacing the leader after months of inactivity appeases both parties and simplifies things drastically.

10-Dec-2013 22:37:34

Victree

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There is a lot of material to read through in this, but from personal experience, this is what I have to say.

I don't believe there should be a system in place to automatically remove inactive leaders, as something along these lines have happened to the clan I am now currently leading. He would log on occasionally, and we would be able to sort out the permissions then, and change anything urgent that needed changing, but then he would disappear for another month or 2.

Looking back, over 2 years of this happening, we really did just fine with the Deputies leading the clan. Finally, after much debate over about a 3 month time, we decided to try to find out the reason that he did not play, he explained, and we understood. In the end, He did end up passing on ownership to me. Before this, Even though he was inactive, I, and a few others, ran the clan how we knew he would want it to be run, and everything was working out fine.

If there was a system in place to automatically change ranks or remove or w/e the inactive leader, it could have gone to one out of 6 or 7 people at times, who some of which were inactive also. There is no system that would be able to take into account how that clan was being ran and who was supposed to be the "next in line" without problems, so I don't believe a tool for such a thing would be effective.

(If i didn't make sense i apologize, I was trying to compress the thoughts of 2 years of this into it and i don't know if it worked well=P)

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11-Dec-2013 04:22:54 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2013 04:25:30 by Victree

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@victree bel

Well you see the thing is back then there are not so many tools as their are now so that's the first issue. Secondly your owner atleast came on abs gave you the permissions what about those clans who don't have that at all? If you also read my previous posts you will see I said how it will pass on ownership as my owner is innactive and I am one of 3 deputies and my other 2 deputies are innactive also.

@thylordship,

You come across as being in my exact same position and know exactly what I'm talking about feel free to add me in game when I get back from work I'll add you and discuss this topic and such ^_~ I'll bring some tea!
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11-Dec-2013 09:04:47

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Bresmine

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I don't see any reason jagex cannot look into these issues on a case by case basis. What if a leader goes on a long vacation? What if they are active military? If the clan doesn't have an issue with the leader needing to be away for a longer period of time then it's no ones place to interfere in that.

If the clan has a problem, they may either report to jagex for help or simply unite and create a new clan. An automated system might fix old problems, but it would create just as many new ones.

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11-Dec-2013 10:02:41 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2013 10:03:59 by Bresmine

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2023

Thylordship

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@Bresmine
This summarizes the problems with case by case basis decision as well as: Mod Matthe said :
I am not in a position to be able to handle that level of traffic in a way that I believe is fair, just or appropriate.

Personally, I feel this says the best way to make sure it won't affect legitimate owners: Mod Matthe said :
This will only only happen after clear communication with the clan leaders as to how it might work, including feedback from the CLF, I would expect.

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My clan has helped or consulted many clans in this situation on our world and it is always messy and difficult and no one ever really wins these...

11-Dec-2013 10:32:29

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Nobody has actually given one good reason why having an inactive clan leader is such a problem. A problem for who exactly? If the clan is still doing what clans do why do you need to replace the clan leader?

Bresmine I think Mod Matthe rightly feels that this isn't something that should be a part of his job. Not only would it be time consuming but how exactly would he know if the clan was really in trouble or it was just some deputy who wanted to take over the leadership. As I have said before, from experience, clans can not only flourish with an absentee clan leader but they can most certainly do pretty much everything they do when the clan leader is present. Most of the time the problem lies with the person who wants to take over the clan which doesn't constitute a clan problem only an individual's problem.

11-Dec-2013 10:40:53

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