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Sep

2011

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@MsSantaPawsy

The owner gave me that ability then disappeared....well I'd assume you have deputies you trust inside out....so even if you got deranked they would return the rank on your return....rather than you seeing a dead clan......

Well.....it's all well and good if the owner would have lost Internet......sadly that's not the case they are on world of Warcraft and could not give a monkeys about the clan.....

@scret

Mergers are a tricky one, one clan would have to sacralise everything which won't happen......so it is hard to please and convince.....
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09-Dec-2013 22:15:46

May

2009

Krisi

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I personally dont think Jagex should interfer with the leaders of clans, you dont know why someone is away from the net, or the issues relating to that. It was always Jagex stance to provide the means for clans but not get involved in the leadership of them. While the CLF is here, and the devices offered to make it easier, if other members still have access to run a clan effectivley, then what is the actual issue, that people dont have the golden key?

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@scret

Mergers are a tricky one, one clan would have to sacralise everything which won\'t happen......so it is hard to please and convince.....

I have had 3 clans merge into mine in the last year, all where great sucess, yes their clans gave up their citadel and other things, but if you build the merge correctly, lay out what it means for the old and new, and treat the new people just like any other clan member they work out great. I have merge rules, Ive never swayed from them and up-hold the promises I make to my exsisting members and the new ones joining

Merges are brilliant, new blood into the cc, offering new ideas, process and people to talk to. I love them.

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09-Dec-2013 22:50:20

Apr

2023

Thylordship

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@Krisimay
The problem is a lot of clans with this problem don't have the devices to run the clan effectively. And clans are an involved process. If clans were as easy as a basic castle wars minigame, this probably wouldn't matter. But clans take a lot of time: days, weeks, months. It's not fair to just put in this content and tell people, "You’re on your own."
KittyFlower said :
if your clan is truly a united clan then you should have no issues with switching to a new clan. I find this a bit hypocritical honestly. It seems you don’t want Jagex to tell people how to run clans yet you are saying clans should be structured and united? If a clan just wants to have a good time and the Leader who’s doing the easy yet vital part of managing the various parts of the clan goes inactive and the clan starts dying, they should just suffer because they didn’t want that structure? Why would an owner who does all the cit work think to give those permissions to lower ranks and same for other permissions? As people said, life happens, but this is a game and not everything should be, “too bad so sad now move on.”

Besides, this isn't dictating how a clan should be led, just keeping clans active and giving clans in a bad place some help. It won’t interfere with any active clan assuming we provide it with enough feedback.

With enough feedback on what a good leader who's planned for his inactivity and his clan to run smoothly without him is vs. a poor leader who's left rs to let his clan fend for itself and probably die, this update could very well be a positive one. For example, I've said my suggestion .

10-Dec-2013 08:17:40

Dec

2021

KittyFlower

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Ignore List said :
@MsSantaPawsy

The owner gave me that ability then disappeared....well I\'d assume you have deputies you trust inside out....so even if you got deranked they would return the rank on your return....rather than you seeing a dead clan......

Well.....it\'s all well and good if the owner would have lost Internet......sadly that\'s not the case they are on world of Warcraft and could not give a monkeys about the clan.....

trust me you have my greatest sympathies. but they are purposefully not passing on the ownership. not much anyone can do at the current moment. i am one that can greatly see the effect clans have on each individual. i still wish you the best with you and yours. i was just trying to present a solution. seeing as you reject it with a closed mind this is where i take my leave.

also thylordship if you would notice i didnt say anything about the structure or anything of the clan. united as in everyone agrees an active owner is important and what they want the most. that says nothing of structure or jagex

10-Dec-2013 08:52:02

Apr

2023

Thylordship

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KittyFlower said :
also thylordship if you would notice i didnt say anything about the structure or anything of the clan. united as in everyone agrees an active owner is important and what they want the most. that says nothing of structure or jagex Ah, my apologies, I misinterpreted. In which case I'd like to amend my response to say:
This is actually a very difficult thing as not even all the admins most of the time in my experience can agree until the clan is so bad off they have less 30% of their original clan, which are a lot of bonds severed.

It's easy for someone from the outside to see a clan is doing bad, especially in hindsight, it's entirely another for the average member within to see the hardships of the admins and that their clan can fail. Admins want to show their clan as doing fine, not complain to the people they're supposed to lead. And then follow that up with choosing to leave their friends for another is acknowledging that you care more about your stats and avatar over friends, which most people would rather deny and thus stay in the clan.

There's a huge psycological impact to leaderless clans I can't even address due to lack of space.The average clan mate doesn't know a fraction of what CLF members know when it comes to the intricate details and even if they suspected it, it's another to ditch your friends who don't see it and want to stay. Leaving for objective purposes is one thing, but to say a clan will fail in real time and not in hindsight is anything but objective which is a huge problem to this.

10-Dec-2013 09:39:45

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OK so I have have a bit of experience with an inactive clan leader all be it when the clan was an FC b4 clan tools. The clan leader went missing for 6 months and to be honest it had absolutely no effect on the morale of the clan. If anything the clan grew during that time mainly down to the two people who were next in line to the leadership. Today we would call them deputies. After 6 months we decided to re-start the clan in another FC and if the leader came back offer him a rank. This worked very well. However remember the max you could have in a clan back them was 200 which made this process a little easier than if the clan was nearing 500.

Today because of clan tools and the citadel and clan high scores it isn't quite such an easy decision to up root everyone and take them to another clan chat because of the "investment" in these things.

So you have to ask yourselves why do you feel the need to remove a clan leader? If the deputies are doing a good job at maintaining morale and the clan is maintaining it's numbers or even growing then there is no need. A clan really doesn't need a clan leader to do this. As for kicking rights, it isn't that difficult to arrange for admin+ to help with kicks for inactivity. If you had 10 admin+ that would be 20 kicks per day. That is way more than most clans would need to kick for inactivity. Yes there will be a few permissions that you can't change but you might need to decide how much your clan really needs these permissions to survive,in the short term.

Quite frankly I'd take these questions back to the clan as from personal experience I have found that it is the person who wants to take over the clan from the inactive clan leader who has the biggest problem with the restriction on permissions. I feel that if you are serious about making a clan survive then you will find a workaround for any of the problems you feel you have if you want the clan to stay where it is. =)

10-Dec-2013 10:26:53

Apr

2023

Thylordship

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@ Golden
That’s kind of the problem right now. Before the tools and the official clan system, with an inactive leader, a new leader could easily take the place via new fc. Why is it so wrong to add a system that lets this happen to clans currently? Because you’re clan isn’t the one doing it? But if it’s a higher up that always took control, it’d be the same this way. If you disagree with the person the system chooses, they can easily fix this internally in mere seconds.

But you’re right, most admins will stick with their leaderless clan and try to make it work. Why? Because they’re leaders and do what leaders do. They will carry the weight of their position to try to make the clanmates have a good a time as possible while hiding the struggles of extra work of getting events together, rising inactivity, the constant pressure the admins will deal with and put up with so their clanmates won’t have to suffer the hardship of trying to move to another clan. And if there’s 2 or more high ranking people, how do you decide who the new leader is? That’s an impossible discussion to have and so it wouldn’t happen, more reason for them to try and improve what they have.

So what you have in this situation are admins doing their job, what leaders should do, and in the end, from hindsight we can see that it’s hurting their clan. If the admins doing their job is having the opposite result it should, then something is wrong.

If the concern of this affecting legitimate leaders who are acceptably inactive, why not make a few points on how they differ so the system the developers put in place will ideally not affect those who shouldn’t be affected?

And before the question of what hardship clanmates would suffer from simply changing clans if it’s the admins that do the enduring, I refer back to this .

10-Dec-2013 13:32:49

[#OUEGO5OBM]

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"So what you have in this situation are admins doing their job, what leaders should do, and in the end, from hindsight we can see that it’s hurting their clan. If the admins doing their job is having the opposite result it should, then something is wrong. "

Thylordship I'm not quite sure I follow how if admins are doing their job and keeping the clan running this will be bad for the clan. Maybe you could explain the above sentence as it doesn't make any sense to me though that could be the drugs lol. Surely the admins are doing what they would be doing if the clan leader delegated these tasks to them whether he was present or not. I still think it is usually the people who want to be leader who seem to have a problem with the clan permissions the most. IMO that isn't a good enough reason for Jagex to get involved in the leaderless clan scenario.

10-Dec-2013 14:25:27

Mar

2018

Scret

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I have to say in most cases it will be people wanting to be leader yet have no desire to start from scratch, which causes a problem for sure. Ive seen clans function well enough without a leader.

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10-Dec-2013 14:48:30

Jan

2007

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Scret said :
I have to say in most cases it will be people wanting to be leader yet have no desire to start from scratch, which causes a problem for sure. Ive seen clans function well enough without a leader.

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10-Dec-2013 14:54:54

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