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Astralach

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I've had a chance to read through this thread, and I've decided that it's a suggestion that I strongly support. This is a feature that would be of particular benefit to my clan as the inactivity of our clan leader has meant that we are currently unable to access the new clan broadcast feature. If this proposal were to be implemented I'm sure that other clans that are in a similar situation to that of my own would be over the moon. ^_^ RGU | CLF | FGU | Ninja | EGC | Premier | General

05-Dec-2013 08:19:53

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Ferenc2017 said :
I support to remove the leader when he gets banned but not when he is inactive.

^ This.
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I don't much like this idea.

My personal opinion is that a clan leader should never be forcefully removed from their own clan, by Jagex. I view that as something Jagex shouldn't have a hand in, unless ofocurse the leader is banned, then this would be quite useful. But for inactivity? No.

If this must go through, I hope that the inactivity period is quite long. 6 Months perhaps? And that leaders be demoted rather than kicked. But this suggestion still doesn't sit very well with me, even though there is almost no chance of me ever going inactive for longer than a week.

I understand that some clans may struggle quite a lot with inactive leaders.. But a new clan can, and perhaps should be made if the current one is in any way defunct. Yes, some things will be lost, but this has been the way of things since the first clans so many years ago. RSC - Gone, but never forgotten.

05-Dec-2013 08:48:33

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Yeah but asking people to make a new clan when they've already worked so hard to create the environment they have now is kinda crappy.
How would you feel having to get to a tier 7 citadel all over again?
Then there's the hassle of having to recruit everyone back into the clan again and some may not be online at times when the leader is.

They wouldn't even have avatars. Now for some people, they only join clans to use avatars and do citadel, so this would be a big blow for them having to downgrade and would lead to potential member loss.

I don't think a leader should be removed from a clan but maybe deranked to a silver key, so that the new leader can do as they see fit afterwards. Having an inactive leader can cause a lot of problems, especially with citadel permissions.

PvMe has concerns about removing inactive leaders due to service. But if you're in the forces then I'm sure your clan would understand if you did go temporarily inactive. Although being away for over 6 months could prove to be detrimental to your clan but if you have good sub leaders, you could always entrust temporary leadership to them until you get back.

05-Dec-2013 10:00:25

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@leta,

I totally understand were you are coming from, but honestly tell me would you rather a clan die than replace an owner? Say you did go inactive for 1 year and see your clan dead as you were not there to lead how would you feel? (I hope that never happens)

Iv had to run my clan since the beginning with what I had and I do sometimes have to space myself even if I'm ill to make sure everything is ok and the clan is not dying and such.

At this moment in time I can't clean inactives, I can't change build tick, I can't use broadcast board so my clan is going by as we can with what we can praying we don't die off.

My clan leader does not even have access to CLF, we have not heard a word from her in years, no one has contact to her >_<.....with me all my clan members have me on Skype/twitter/Facebook and such.

I have a question to people saying X about of months.......will you count 6 months from when this system is implemented? Or since the leader last logged in?
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05-Dec-2013 11:02:57

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Edited for space: Pescao6 said :
1. Reasonable period of absence

2. Adequate notice to the inactive leader

3. Protect the interests of the inactive leader should he return
- I liked Lucine's idea of an Heir Apparent.

I actually don’t agree with any of this: a year seems way too high. I’d say after at least 3 months, it’s very probable that you’re not coming back. However, nothing can hit a guy as hard as real life; so I’d be content with a 6 month period before you’re removed from position.

I’m not sure how you could forget you have a clan if you made one. And from this, if you can’t log in once a season, then I don’t think an email should be sent so you can keep that clan chained and hobbled.

A leader is someone who leads. I see no justification that a leader who isn’t there for a clan that needed him should be reinstated after the hard work is done. I don’t want to do all the work reviving a clan after receiving all the tools needed just for the old leader to come back and run roughshod.

I’m not sure adding an heir apparent is possible to a complicated system as the clan system because if it was, I’d see no reason to add it to the death interface so you don’t have to worry about lag if you die to choose the items you lose on death. If it is possible though, then this caveat I’d support.

Leta said :
I understand that some clans may struggle quite a lot with inactive leaders.. But a new clan can, and perhaps should be made if the current one is in any way defunct. Yes, some things will be lost, but this has been the way of things since the first clans so many years ago.
Just because it’s the way things have been done in the past, doesn’t make it okay. It's not fair one person should cause the whole clan to dissolve, clans are communities and are bigger than any one person.

05-Dec-2013 11:15:12

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I have a question to people saying X about of months.......will you count 6 months from when this system is implemented? Or since the leader last logged in?

I think it should be from when i last logged in 6 months is i think a good time span.

but you do have ( inactive ) clan leaders who login just to activate account then logout.

If i was inactive for more than a month i would want someone to take leadership

And I step down as leader if my pc is in for Repair .

I am looking for new clan deputy in clan as my existing deputy is taking timeout .



This Problem i think will be a Major clearing of clans as well as just a few clan leaders .

Question we need to ask self is Are you a clan leader for your own Ego

Or are you a clan leader for you clans Well being

If its the later how can you justify remaining clan leader if you haven't played for 6 months

If its the former I question if you should be a clan leader at all. but i understand some of you do have very good established clans lol.

Having an almost maxed T7 citadel i dont want to lose it because my pc blows up. my clan has worked hard to build and its their work not mine.

People leave game and return to clan after 2-3 years if im not ingame and the clan is still in game they can return to the clan.

If both myself and clan no longer exist they have nothing but a completely different game to return back to. So im against clans having to dissolve and regroup .
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05-Dec-2013 11:39:42 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2013 11:59:12 by Ninmci

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