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Hey guys,
Ok put yourself in my shoes for a second and think about this,
My owner has been inactive since the creation of the clan and only logged in a 10 times at best in those times.
I am on of 3 deputys, if you guys go on the basis of first deputy ranked gets owner and wait 6 months means that iv not only just waited 3 years, i have to wait another year and a half and the time it takes to make such a system, as the other 2 deputy's are inactive also.
In regards to the idea, I dont like the idea of the owner being kicked at all, I think deranking them would be far better.
If I was dead honest, it would be better if a Jmod looked into it on a case by case basis and got the clans feedback and made a decision than wasting time on making such an update as not many would ask for a leadership change.
Iv tried the best I can do with what I have but I am still unable to do so much such as active the notice board -.-, kick inactive and such and it has been seriously hindering my clan and Iv been told it will be sorted for 3 years and nothing is happening so waiting 2 years more is like a slap in the face.
Edit:
P.s @Mod Matthe or other Jmods it may be best to reword the title to "Inactive Clan Leaders" to avoid confusion regarding legacy CLF leaders.
Edit 2:
It would be awesome to unpin the QA threads and pin this to get as much feedback as possible, but thats just my opinion
Ok put yourself in my shoes for a second and think about this,
My owner has been inactive since the creation of the clan and only logged in a 10 times at best in those times.
I am on of 3 deputys, if you guys go on the basis of first deputy ranked gets owner and wait 6 months means that iv not only just waited 3 years, i have to wait another year and a half and the time it takes to make such a system, as the other 2 deputy's are inactive also.
In regards to the idea, I dont like the idea of the owner being kicked at all, I think deranking them would be far better.
If I was dead honest, it would be better if a Jmod looked into it on a case by case basis and got the clans feedback and made a decision than wasting time on making such an update as not many would ask for a leadership change.
Iv tried the best I can do with what I have but I am still unable to do so much such as active the notice board -.-, kick inactive and such and it has been seriously hindering my clan and Iv been told it will be sorted for 3 years and nothing is happening so waiting 2 years more is like a slap in the face.
Edit:
P.s @Mod Matthe or other Jmods it may be best to reword the title to "Inactive Clan Leaders" to avoid confusion regarding legacy CLF leaders.
Edit 2:
It would be awesome to unpin the QA threads and pin this to get as much feedback as possible, but thats just my opinion
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04-Dec-2013 18:59:08 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2013 10:06:21 by Ignore List
Scret
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''They will lose their virtual Rank, and have it Replaced with Deputy Owner. HOWEVER, they will first: Be immune from being kicked out. Second: They will be able to regain their Ownership Rank back, when they wish it (it will happen if they decided to be active again and Lead the Clan again).''
This seems the best solution but i avoided suggesting it myself cos it seems a very difficult thing to achieve but yea id agree.
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''They will lose their virtual Rank, and have it Replaced with Deputy Owner. HOWEVER, they will first: Be immune from being kicked out. Second: They will be able to regain their Ownership Rank back, when they wish it (it will happen if they decided to be active again and Lead the Clan again).''
This seems the best solution but i avoided suggesting it myself cos it seems a very difficult thing to achieve but yea id agree.
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04-Dec-2013 19:12:54
There are a lot of clans out there with awol Clan owners or managers from afar
We can not have it a case by case basis operating from a pinned thread in clf because many do not have access to clf (either he clan has no representation or the awol owner is the representation).
Whether or not this goes ahead I would like a to propose a culture change. The titles Clan Owner and Deputy Owner are changed to Leader. How can we own a clan, ie a group of people?
Edit - the proposed idea that the owner can reclaim the clan if they return - I would say no, if they have been uncontactable for 3, 6 months or whatever the time limit is they should only come back as owner / leader with the blessing of the current clan management, i.e. the ones doing all the work and holding the whole thing together.
We can not have it a case by case basis operating from a pinned thread in clf because many do not have access to clf (either he clan has no representation or the awol owner is the representation).
Whether or not this goes ahead I would like a to propose a culture change. The titles Clan Owner and Deputy Owner are changed to Leader. How can we own a clan, ie a group of people?
Edit - the proposed idea that the owner can reclaim the clan if they return - I would say no, if they have been uncontactable for 3, 6 months or whatever the time limit is they should only come back as owner / leader with the blessing of the current clan management, i.e. the ones doing all the work and holding the whole thing together.
04-Dec-2013 19:42:48 - Last edited on 04-Dec-2013 19:45:21 by Tigergal44
Tigergal44
said
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There are a lot of clans out there with awol Clan owners or managers from afar
We can not have it a case by case basis operating from a pinned thread in clf because many do not have access to clf (either he clan has no representation or the awol owner is the representation).
Whether or not this goes ahead I would like a to propose a culture change. The titles Clan Owner and Deputy Owner are changed to Leader. How can we own a clan, ie a group of people?
Edit - the proposed idea that the owner can reclaim the clan if they return - I would say no, if they have been uncontactable for 3, 6 months or whatever the time limit is they should only come back as owner / leader with the blessing of the current clan management, i.e. the ones doing all the work and holding the whole thing together.
Id say that a sticky in the clf for this kind of issues to be sorted manually is a good idea in theory but it depends how much freedom or how much involvement Jmods want to get involved with, im sure they dont want to be checking through lists and lists trying to work it out.
CLF is the best place for this because most high ranks can access CLF and to me this is only an issue for clans who are eligible for CLF anyway, if your clan isnt eligible for CLF then its quite clear its not developed enough to not just start a new one. This is only an issue for long established clans with a lot of history and a lot to lose.
I think it could be worth having cos in some cases there is an obvious answer to if the clan owner should actually still be owner.
There are a lot of clans out there with awol Clan owners or managers from afar
We can not have it a case by case basis operating from a pinned thread in clf because many do not have access to clf (either he clan has no representation or the awol owner is the representation).
Whether or not this goes ahead I would like a to propose a culture change. The titles Clan Owner and Deputy Owner are changed to Leader. How can we own a clan, ie a group of people?
Edit - the proposed idea that the owner can reclaim the clan if they return - I would say no, if they have been uncontactable for 3, 6 months or whatever the time limit is they should only come back as owner / leader with the blessing of the current clan management, i.e. the ones doing all the work and holding the whole thing together.
Id say that a sticky in the clf for this kind of issues to be sorted manually is a good idea in theory but it depends how much freedom or how much involvement Jmods want to get involved with, im sure they dont want to be checking through lists and lists trying to work it out.
CLF is the best place for this because most high ranks can access CLF and to me this is only an issue for clans who are eligible for CLF anyway, if your clan isnt eligible for CLF then its quite clear its not developed enough to not just start a new one. This is only an issue for long established clans with a lot of history and a lot to lose.
I think it could be worth having cos in some cases there is an obvious answer to if the clan owner should actually still be owner.
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04-Dec-2013 20:33:46
Tigergal44
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If the clan leader goes awol for a serious length of time the clan is in serious difficulties. It just takes one update (...) and the clan is stuck (...)
Go form a new clan is not an option. (...) You are asking a whole group of people to throw away months or years of work for one individual.
Hard hearted I know but if an ex Clan Owner comes back and wants their clan back it should be up to the clan. Too many of us are looking at clans as something we own and have a right to, not that we are in a position by the agreement of others and to be of service to them.
See I have a problem with this because I believe that the title Clan Owner implies that I do in fact own my clan. In reality, it's a symbolic title because legally speaking I don't own anything on RuneScape; not even my account nor my registered clan chat. But my Clan extends to our offsite website, chats and other services some of which I legally own or have licensed.
So that's why I don't like this idea. I think my clan could continue to operate in my absence without any problems because we don't depend on the in-game clan tools. But not all clans are the same.
Tigergal44 said :
Option to opt out. So we want to be able to say this group is mine and if I disappear no one has the right to alter my ownership or get on with growing the clan? Hmmmm I hope that toggle option if available is 100% transparent to all clan members.
Lol. That's kinda like what we have right now in case you didn't notice.
If the clan leader goes awol for a serious length of time the clan is in serious difficulties. It just takes one update (...) and the clan is stuck (...)
Go form a new clan is not an option. (...) You are asking a whole group of people to throw away months or years of work for one individual.
Hard hearted I know but if an ex Clan Owner comes back and wants their clan back it should be up to the clan. Too many of us are looking at clans as something we own and have a right to, not that we are in a position by the agreement of others and to be of service to them.
See I have a problem with this because I believe that the title Clan Owner implies that I do in fact own my clan. In reality, it's a symbolic title because legally speaking I don't own anything on RuneScape; not even my account nor my registered clan chat. But my Clan extends to our offsite website, chats and other services some of which I legally own or have licensed.
So that's why I don't like this idea. I think my clan could continue to operate in my absence without any problems because we don't depend on the in-game clan tools. But not all clans are the same.
Tigergal44 said :
Option to opt out. So we want to be able to say this group is mine and if I disappear no one has the right to alter my ownership or get on with growing the clan? Hmmmm I hope that toggle option if available is 100% transparent to all clan members.
Lol. That's kinda like what we have right now in case you didn't notice.
04-Dec-2013 20:54:44
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