RuneScape Forum Archive | Inactive Clan Owners

Jan

2007

Triscuits

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I don't like the idea of this..

1. I go inactive for months at a time.. the near thought of losing my clan disturbs me I think If i want to handmy leadership over I should be the one who does that not some automated system..

2. I don't favor kicking...

3. Real life plays a roles, School, work , net issues, computer issues many things can go wrong in a persons life.. that prevents them from being able to log in..
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03-Dec-2013 19:44:56

Feb

2008

KitKat

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lndi said :
I feel there should be some process in place to remedy a situation where a clan leader goes MIA however I do not support an automated process.

There are too many variables that the automated system would not be able to determine. Also an automated process of picking the next leader without the input of the clan could cause problems within the clan.

IMO having a process in place where a clan can apply to have the situation remedied, with stringent criteria in place would be a better way to go.
I agree with this

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03-Dec-2013 20:22:38

Apr

2009

Drayco

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Triscuits said :
I don't like the idea of this..

1. I go inactive for months at a time.. the near thought of losing my clan disturbs me I think If i want to handmy leadership over I should be the one who does that not some automated system..

2. I don't favor kicking...

3. Real life plays a roles, School, work , net issues, computer issues many things can go wrong in a persons life.. that prevents them from being able to log in..

Pretty much sums of my POV. I agree that perm banned clan leaders should be removed though.

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03-Dec-2013 20:41:56

Aug

2007

Pescao6

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*Sighs* I tried to think of a way for this to work, but honestly I can't think of any because every single scenario I come up with in my mind just returns a what if problem; so I'm just going to summarize and say
no support to the whole idea.

I think that if you're an Active Leader, your Clan Owner has gone inactive and you want to be the Clan Owner, you should start a new clan for yourself. Seriously, is it that difficult?

I don't even understand why is Jagex considering the idea of getting involved in the private business of Clans. Didn't this backfire a couple of times already when the Inactive Leaders came back and wanted to regain control of the Clans they owned?

If you do waste your precious dev time on developing this automated system, I want the option to opt-out.

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03-Dec-2013 21:53:33

Tigergal44

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Pescaoo yes it is that difficult. If the clan leader goes awol for a serious length of time the clan is in serious difficulties. It just takes one update where the permissions have to be altered (as in the noticeboard change today) and the clan is stuck because they cannot access part of their functionality. What happens when Maz's big change to permissions, jobs etc comes in without the clan leader around to set things.

Go form a new clan is not an option. Throw away the clank ranking, Citadel to name just 2 and start again all because a Clan Owner is too selfish to pass over the reigns when they lose interest or real life means they cannot log into Runescape for a few minutes in a 3 or 6 month period. You are asking a whole group of people to throw away months or years of work for one individual.

Hard hearted I know but if an ex Clan Owner comes back and wants their clan back it should be up to the clan. Too many of us are looking at clans as something we own and have a right to, not that we are in a position by the agreement of others and to be of service to them.

Edit - Option to opt out. So we want to be able to say this group is mine and if I disappear no one has the right to alter my ownership or get on with growing the clan? Hmmmm I hope that toggle option if available is 100% transparent to all clan members.

03-Dec-2013 22:48:27 - Last edited on 03-Dec-2013 22:53:10 by Tigergal44

Mar

2018

Scret

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Pescao6 said :
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*Sighs* I tried to think of a way for this to work, but honestly I can't think of any because every single scenario I come up with in my mind just returns a what if problem; so I'm just going to summarize and say
no support to the whole idea.

I think that if you're an Active Leader, your Clan Owner has gone inactive and you want to be the Clan Owner, you should start a new clan for yourself. Seriously, is it that difficult?

I don't even understand why is Jagex considering the idea of getting involved in the private business of Clans. Didn't this backfire a couple of times already when the Inactive Leaders came back and wanted to regain control of the Clans they owned?

If you do waste your precious dev time on developing this automated system, I want the option to opt-out.

This must be the shortest message ive seen you post and in some ways i agree.

Maybe there is a solution but im struggling to think of a way myself.

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03-Dec-2013 23:30:10

Apr

2023

Thylordship

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Pescao6 said :
I think that if you're an Active Leader, your Clan Owner has gone inactive and you want to be the Clan Owner, you should start a new clan for yourself. Seriously, is it that difficult?

Honestly, yes it is that difficult. Clans are bigger than any one person, even the owner, What did the owner do, other than be the person who held that contract in his hands among four other people? He is the manager, the caretaker, and is in charge of the security of that clan. If that clan leader goes awol, for any reason, that clan shouldn't suffer just because he wants the status of a being a leader or couldn't decide on a successor before the issues arose.

There is meaning and value in a name, it's a hard act to do to leave a clan, let alone try and make other people do it in your clan just so you can make a new leader. And it'd never be the same if you could do it.

Besides... whoever did take over his duties should be rewarded with the instatement of leadership officially.. though that's completely my opinion, but I wanted to just throw it in the mix so I can follow it up with I completely support this!

04-Dec-2013 00:23:43

Nov

2023

Gluepot

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So far there seems to be a small majority in favour of this.

The x amount of time seems to be somewhere between 3 and 6 months.

The main reasons against are because it's an "automated system" and they'll lose their clan.The majority think it should be a demotion. Rather than a kick.

I feel the x-amount of time allows for a vote to be called. So it isn't automated. It's up to the players or admins of the clan. If the vote is a fail then they have to wait another x-amount of time before they can call another vote. The players may not even decide to call this vote if they know you'll return or you're irreplaceable!

As for just starting a new clan. Every time I've seen this happen many clan members are lost in lack of communication. Some of them may also not be that active or are on holiday, when they return they have no idea what's happened. Restarting a Citadel is hard. From having something you've earned, to suddenly losing what you earned through no fault of your own is hard. There's no motivation to do it all again.

I feel perhaps the rank of clan-owner is misnamed. It should be clan leader. I don't feel anyone owns a group of players. You can be a founder, you can come up with the concepts and the systems. But a clan is a bunch of players, not an object and I don't feel you can own someone else. Those players may want to have a new clan, someone else to lead in your absence but don't want to lose their friends.

Also I imagine the reason why Jagex are considering making a system is because it is a common problem and this would be beneficial to a lot of clans!

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04-Dec-2013 01:39:21

Lucine

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I agree with the concept, but disagree with the suggested method.

The reason why people want inactive Leaders down; because of the reputation of the Clan (A Clan with an inactive *owner*; wouldn't sound too appealing) + The ability to have top domination over the ranks/permissions,etc. That's from my understanding. There can be other reasons too, that I'm unaware of.

I'm not sure if this is technically possible, but here is my suggestion to make this as fair as possible:

*Seemingly* derank the *Owner* to be a Deputy Owner, and assign someone else instead of him/her. There can be 3 ways to assign that person. I thought of 3 ways:

1. The ability for the Owner to set a Heir Apparent (sorry for the definition, but Clans works that way), which will be handed over the Leadership on either demand or after a fixed time elapses. (Continue reading as my suggestion include anti-abuse of this system).

2. The System choose the next highest rank, that have the most activity in-game. (if all Deputy owners are inactive, the system look after overseers, if they are inactive, it goes to Coordinators..etc)

3. The ability for the owner to choose which Clan Members/rank type can make a vote for it (for future usage).

What happens to the *Original Owner* in my suggestion:

They will lose their visual Rank, and have it replaced with Deputy Owner. HOWEVER, they will

first: Be immune from being kicked out. Second: They will be able to regain their Ownership Rank back, when they wish it

(it will happen if they decided to be active again and Lead the Clan again).

I think if this is possible, it could make it very fair for the inactive Owners. I know it is a bit complicated, but simplistic system could cause too much unfairness.

Feel free to point out any flaw in my suggestion. I will try to work out even better ways to work around this problem. It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. ~Herman Melville

04-Dec-2013 16:17:49 - Last edited on 04-Dec-2013 17:46:22 by Lucine

Mar

2018

Scret

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I know without questions 2 things it shouldnt be.

1. No less than 6months
2. not a kick

Theres no way that this should happen.

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04-Dec-2013 16:27:00

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