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The Idea of having "Co-Owners" Would seem to fix most of the issue.


Make a new rank that is 1 step Below Owner, 1 step above Deputy?
Only 1 person can have the rank, and it has all the Permissions that the Owner does.

That would solve the issue that so many clans have,
Not being able to use Updates because they require the Owner to give permissions.
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05-Dec-2013 15:46:52

Paz

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Leta said :

I wonder how many other clans out there also don't have a clear back-up leader, or if I truly am an anomaly. O_o


I don't really have a clear leader for my clan. One of my friends and cohorts wouldn't want a leadership role as she always ends up in that if leaders leave. My deputy would probably accept it but I'm not sure if she would really appreciate it either.

Luckily for me though, my clan doesn't take an awful lot of running, merely guiding. We have almost no drama in there and everyone gets along really well. So anyone who takes over a leadership role there wouldn't have issues if I were to leave. However like you Leta, I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

My reasons for starting my own clan in the first place were due to various other clans just having so much drama in them and I really hate that. I don't want to have to deal with other peoples issues every day. So this was a way for me to build a community of like minded people which has worked like a dream.

Back on topic, I do have an idea for if a leader is going inactive or already inactive which would combat most peoples concerns. How about a system where the leader could nominate a temp leader for a set period and they get put to an unbootable rank for that period? If they haven't returned after that period, the system automatically puts them to a silver key so the new leader can do as they see fit. If you're gone for 2 and a half months, set it to 3 and claim it back once you return.

For inactive leaders already, the clan could put in a vote at the clan camp to change leaders. Once the vote has been initiated, the leader gets an inbox message giving them 3 months to cancel the vote or be taken off. Again the leader has the option of coming back within the 3 months after switched leadership to claim it back. So essentially they have 6 months in total to do something about their leadership.

05-Dec-2013 19:12:30 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2013 19:19:46 by Paz

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I say 3 months initially due to the fact, in clan time, 3 months is a long time. Most people play on a daily basis, so you interact with each other constantly. More so than work colleagues.

When you have so much contact with people, it does make it feel like a short period of time, has been a long time.

05-Dec-2013 19:15:32

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Ignore List said :
would you rather a clan die than replace an owner?

Yes, I'd prefer for the clan to die.

Ignore List said :
Say you did go inactive for 1 year and see your clan dead as you were not there to lead how would you feel? (I hope that never happens)

Well given that I've been having health problems during the last couple of years, my Clanmates slowly spread out to different Clans; so I'm sure some people might think our clan died due to my absence. But then again, I do still have ways to contact my people and I don't have a problem lending Clanmates to other Clans; after all, our Clan precedes the 2011 Clan Tools, so I've never had much need of them to run my Clan.

Ignore List said :
At this moment in time I can't clean inactives, I can't change build tick, I can't use broadcast board so my clan is going by as we can with what we can praying we don't die off.

As we talked on Clchat earlier, wouldn't an alternative solution would be to give the same permissions the Owner has to the Deputy Owners by default? I mean I think the only permission I wouldn't want my Deputy Owners to have would be the ability to change the Clan Name; but I'm fine with giving them all of the rest.
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06-Dec-2013 00:39:47

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Pescao6 said :

As we talked on Clchat earlier, wouldn't an alternative solution would be to give the same permissions the Owner has to the Deputy Owners by default? I mean I think the only permission I wouldn't want my Deputy Owners to have would be the ability to change the Clan Name; but I'm fine with giving them all of the rest.


i have to say i actually do agree with this. i trust me deputies as much as i would trust myself.

06-Dec-2013 00:47:51

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@ Pescao
Well what about the majority of clans that weren't made pre 2011 and don't want to connect via skype and all that due to privacy issues?

You may be okay with a clan dying over 1 person, but I think I am right in saying the majority of people, both leaders and not, would not be okay with this. People want their work validated, not erased due to the fault of another.

My input in general:
As I've read on this thread somewhere, even if the title is "Owner," you don't in any way own the clan; they're a group of people and you can't own them. A leader has one duty; show up to make sure the clan has access to the tools it needs. If a leader fails in this duty for a long enough duration, you've failed your clan and someone else who've kept the clan alive despite your failure should be rewarded with your position so they can lead the clan correctly and easier with access to everything they didn't before (such as inactivity sweeps).

06-Dec-2013 02:07:27

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Thylordship said :
@ Pescao
Well what about the majority of clans that weren't made pre 2011 and don't want to connect via skype and all that due to privacy issues?

What about them? As I said before, not all clans are the same.

Thylordship said :
As I've read on this thread somewhere, even if the title is ''Owner,'' you don't in any way own the clan; they're a group of people and you can't own them.

I already replied to this comment here .

Thylordship said :
A leader has one duty; show up to make sure the clan has access to the tools it needs. If a leader fails in this duty for a long enough duration, you've failed your clan and someone else who've kept the clan alive despite your failure should be rewarded with your position so they can lead the clan correctly and easier with access to everything they didn't before (such as inactivity sweeps).

That's an opinion, not a fact. As we learned from previous CLF debates , every Clan Leader has a different opinion on how his clan should be run.

Leta said :
Perhaps the million dollar question is: Does 6 months of inactivity disqualify you from the leadership of your own clan that you created and have perhaps been leading for 3, 5, 8+ years?

Hell no! :P

Leta said :
A clan can also be destroyed if the wrong person takes over for an inactive leader, then the leader returns to find ruin, or nothing at all.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
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06-Dec-2013 04:12:44

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Pescao6 said :
Thylordship said :
@ Pescao
Well what about the majority of clans that weren't made pre 2011 and don't want to connect via skype and all that due to privacy issues?

What about them? As I said before, not all clans are the same.

Thylordship said :
A leader has one duty; show up to make sure the clan has access to the tools it needs. If a leader fails in this duty for a long enough duration, you've failed your clan and someone else who've kept the clan alive despite your failure should be rewarded with your position so they can lead the clan correctly and easier with access to everything they didn't before (such as inactivity sweeps).

That's an opinion, not a fact. As we learned from previous CLF debates , every Clan Leader has a different opinion on how his clan should be run.


What about them? That’s kind of what this update is for… For clans who would like (I won’t use the word need as that’s debatable) the permissions and clan sweeps to keep their clan active. And those tools are very important to clans nowadays. Also, the post you linked just talks about your clan, not others, which seems counter-intuitive to the words that link to the post... not sure I understand your intent.

And very well; I can admit that it’s an opinion. So how about this: a clan owner has duties, while it’s not clear what those duties are. I’m sure we can agree to that? Again, this is an opinion but I’d like to believe that most of us can agree that if you’re not part of your clan, then well… you’re not part of your clan?

At the very least I think it’s clear that more is expected from an owner than just making the clan based on the basis that this idea has even been proposed. It takes 5 people to make a clan and the owner just had the charter... Nothing makes him special otherwise.

06-Dec-2013 05:25:37 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2013 05:25:58 by Thylordship

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