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Thylordship
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This is true. But doesn't the fact that requests to mods form clans have become so frequent and commonplace that they're considering this mean that the leaders who can afford to do this are vastly outnumbered by the owners who can't afford to do this yet do it anyway? In a perfect world, I'd possibly agree. But clans need a safety net right now. "Sorry, you're out of luck" when there's something that could be done doesn't seem like the right answer to me.

06-Dec-2013 06:04:24

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You can't run a country without a leader. The same concept applies to a clan. In order to run a clan, you need to have some form of leadership.

I can't help but find it somewhat selfish that people would rather a clan dissolve than find a like minded individual to take over. At the end of the day, you've helped to create a community within the game and you're essentially destroying it too by leaving.

I think people forget that in order to make the clan in the first place, you need the help and support of others. You may be the backbone but the clan is the everything else.

06-Dec-2013 16:22:21

Pescao6
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Thylordship said :
What about them? That’s kind of what this update is for… For clans who would like (I won’t use the word need as that’s debatable) the permissions and clan sweeps to keep their clan active. And those tools are very important to clans nowadays.
I think the majority here has no problem granting more permissions by default to Deputy Owners. But in my opinion, Deputy Owners should NOT be given the authority to depose Inactive Leaders ranked as Clan Owners.

Not all clans believe in Clan Sweeps . And all of the ones who do have different opinions on how they should be handled.

Thylordship said :
how about this: a clan owner has duties, while it’s not clear what those duties are. I’m sure we can agree to that?
I would say that all Clanmates have responsibilities . But as far as duties go, I try to limit my own to damage control within my own clan.

A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves. -Lao Tzu


I often think that my clan's founder was a genius for being inactive. The clan did everything he wanted and all he had to do was point the way.

Thylordship said :
Again, this is an opinion but I’d like to believe that most of us can agree that if you’re not part of your clan, then well… you’re not part of your clan?
I can't fully agree with that comment. Some Clans believe in treating what are called future applicants, clan friends and retired members as unofficial members of their clan whether they actively participate in the clan or not. To me, Clanmates are simply friends of friends of friends that I constantly play with.
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06-Dec-2013 16:59:26

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@leta,

We seem to be on the same page but ill explain my points a bit more as I think I may not have, although trust plays a massive part of becoming an admin there are other qualities which are needed also.

Apart from my job In real life I also lead a youth clud and mentor teenagers and adults, and sometimes they may need to lead things themselves as it's not something I can teach so I agree with you in that respect. But in my clan other than trust you can't become an admin without good leadership skills, organisation skills, communications skills, what I'm essentially trying to say is being an admin + in my clan is like being a deputy and it's like me preparing them to lead the clan should I ever leave. ( I don't ever plan to leave to addicted to runescape ;) )

I look forward to reading your response!
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06-Dec-2013 19:49:43

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@Blasty,

This is more inactive, I also run external forums and such, but one has to ask if you have the time for that would 5 minutes a week hurt to make sure everything is ok and running smoothly? or Rank someone else to lead?

I have to agree to Fattylicious post as I agree to it 100%, I agree that it will be a hard call on this subject as there are so many things that would need to be taken into account.

I just feel there are not that many clans who are in need of an owner being deranked so someone can take over so it would be better a Jmod look into the issue and make a judgment on a case by case basis looking at other things such as:

What the clan feels is right
How long the owner has been inactive

I'm sure there are more but those 2 are the main ones which come to mind right now
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06-Dec-2013 20:10:44

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Blasty said :
Clan owners also play a role in running external forums, sometimes rl events too. It would be difficult to measure those with an automated system :o

Personally, I am in support of this idea because at the end of the day my decision is final but can easily be overridden if the other leaders agree on something, or disagree with me. That's just my opinion. In addition our clan has a RL Board of Directors, covering multiple games so this system Jagex ix trying to add has strengths and weaknesses.

07-Dec-2013 21:40:56

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Pescao6 said :
I think the majority here has no problem granting more permissions by default to Deputy Owners. But in my opinion, Deputy Owners should NOT be given the authority to depose Inactive Leaders ranked as Clan Owners.
I agree, the majority in the forums of established clans have no problem. And I doubt this update would affect many here. I’m referring to clans that have been poorly handled by their leaders but are too developed to just leave from, which seem to common.
Pescao6 said :
Not all clans believe in Clan Sweeps. And all of the ones who do have different opinions on how they should be handled. I’m confused on why you linked that. Everyone agreed that clan sweeps need to be done, while disagreed on frequency, which seems sweeps are needed to function.
Pescao6 said :
I would say that all Clanmates have responsibilities. But as far as duties go, I try to limit my own to damage control within my own clan. Agreed, but this is about leaders. While yours is one way, leaders shouldn't be afraid to have a strong presence.
Pescao6 said :
I often think that my clan\'s founder was a genius for being inactive. The clan did everything he wanted and all he had to do was point the way. But doesn’t this prove my point? He did what he wanted and stepped down. He didn’t stay while not leading.
Pescao6 said :
Some Clans believe in treating what are called future applicants, clan friends and retired members as unofficial members of their clan whether they actively participate in the clan or not. To me, Clanmates are simply friends of friends of friends that I constantly play with. Yes, but they are still a part of your clan, just unofficially. I’m referring to being a part of a clan in the same way. If you don’t talk, interact, etc. with a clan other than title then you aren’t with that clan.

07-Dec-2013 23:07:44

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The clan is not there for leaders, leaders are there for the clan and if they cannot fulfill their role then they need to be replaced. I don't think they should be removed completely but deranked so that they still are in the clan and if they do manage to come back then the clan can decide if they should be made leader again. The difficulties a clan faces when a leader is inactive is of course different for each clan but the main difficulty is when, as we had last week, an update where only the owner can change the settings. That update would be useless to clans with an inactive leader as no one else can do anything.
It is easy to say 'oh but they can make another clan' but why should they? All members of the clan have worked hard to make the clan what it is and if for example a clan has a citadel at tier 7 why should they start over from scratch when Jagex can implement a system that deranks leaders and gives leadership to an active member. If the inactive leader is a true leader who cares for their clan and wants the best for them then I do not see why they would disagree with this system. If for example I lost internet for months and was unable to log in I would be worried sick about my clan and would be grateful to Jagex for deranking me and making one of my deputies, who I deeply trust, otherwise I would not have made the a deputy, leader in my place.

The leader does not own the clan, the clan owns the leader. :)
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07-Dec-2013 23:26:15

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