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Dilbert2001
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Mod Zura is already 6 months into the development of the sequel of Dead and Buried.



You need to sharpen up on your reading comprehension skills.

It says six weeks , not six months.

Stop with the over-representation already.


Yes, typo. Mod Zura, who last worked on the Murder on the Border quest, has been working on the sequel or Season 2 of Fort Forinthry for 6 weeks, and the design was in place long ago.

Mod Stu also seems to compare the Fort Forinthry seasons with Fox and Firefly. Interesting, perhaps some day we will see Runescape: Fort Forinthry on Fox, but it doesn't seem to be now though.

20-Jul-2023 17:35:42

Dilbert2001
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Regarding the perception of the Raptor, Mod Jack did say there are many things players like, and some players don't like, and they will be gathering opinions and make some changes if needed. In general some players don't like the new character model, but there are already things in the work to get a more rounded Raptor that even more players like. For instance, they are putting the old rest animation back to the new Raptor.

Do you know what I think? Spide Man has different sets of costumes, perhaps The Raptor can have as many sets too. :D

In general, I see most players either like, or are impartial to Raptor's identity. Perhaps some, myself included, think it may better to give us more clues instead of telling us who they are in the quest right away. If I was to design Raptor and Dead and Buried, I would go with the same dreamscape but without the Raptor telling us their identity now, and have Raptor take off their mask during Necromancy before Season 2 of Fort Forinthry comes later. Other than that, everything is pretty good to me.

Being the Queen of Misthalin, Ellamaria is definitely an important character in the upcoming Misthalin Storyline. It is something specific to Misthalin, but nothing specific to Fort Forinthry. Mod Jack put up an example and say if Xau-Tak woke up and destroyed everything in Gielinor, it would be in the Age of Chaos storyline and not Misthalin or Fort Forinthry even if he woke up in Misthalin. It is the impact of he story that better classifies what storyline it is, not where certain NPC starts the storyline.

Roald III needs to die to make the Misthalin storyline more interesting. Even before Fort Forinthry: New Foundations, I hypothetized Roald to the guillotine would be the best way to tell the story human sized conflicts the Game of Throne, instead of the God of War style.

20-Jul-2023 17:59:35 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 18:07:36 by Dilbert2001

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I’m more ready to accept a regicide scenario than I was before I watched the livestream yesterday.

1. The emphasis on Ellamaria having a double life now means Roald’s death would come with a significant choice on her part.

> if she chooses the become the ruling member of the royal family and assume control, she will have the opportunity to showcase how Roald has helped her grow as a person by picking up his knack for diplomacy. It would come at the cost of expeditious exploration and combat being eschwed in favor of being perhaps a more capable military royal when needed.

> if she abdicates the crown, it hurls Misthalin into the political abyss, which doesn’t fit with Roald’s wants, but allows Ellamaria the freedom to pursue her own interests.

2. I can agree that for some, the Remanis family’s romance and resulting interpersonal interaction may not be enough to hold attention, and political intrigue may.(personally. Ellie and Rollie’s romance is ten times better off for this quest line - and could drive the plot for me.)

3. Misthalin being in political turmoil fits well with a looming war with Moia and her forces later on.
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20-Jul-2023 19:59:31

Dilbert2001
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I believe the stories of the Raptor and upcoming Misthalin Storyline were in the plot a decade ago. When they talked about the identity of The Raptor in a 2013 RS3 Lore livestream, they hinted on The Raptor could be someone we have seen in the game often, and another Jmod added the notion that it could be a god or a "she" or anything we haven't thought about.

Besides, whatever we see in the Misthalin Storyline will be out of the control of Ellamaria and Roald III anyway. The plot has been there from years back. A lot of the power struggles of Misthalin in its early years haven't been touched for over a decade, and perhaps it is now the most fittingly time to revisit them, with Saradomin gone and Adrasteia and the Duke of Fort Forinthry being the new powers of the state.

BTW, we have a lot of Sirprysing characters in the Varrock Castle along already. We have Reldo, Ellamaria, Surok already to the very least. Who else? :)

21-Jul-2023 17:19:16 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2023 18:20:51 by Dilbert2001

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They did not hint at the raptor being anything back then. When they were asked in livestream, they directly said they wanted the Raptor to be Enigmatic and would prefer not to talk too much about him for that reason. You can still watch the livestreams. They never took them down.

21-Jul-2023 23:03:10

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Flipping it over to the Ungael/Vorkath matter, there's some very interesting things that probably do fit with a future "Misthalin" focused conclusion series.

> (Assuming the fire that kills Ellamaria's parents and destroys her home is caused by a dragon) ... It is interesting that Misthalin is the center of many points of interest in the first Dragon Slayer quest found in both games. The Champion's Guild is located south of Varrock. Oziach lives in Edgeville, and Duke Horacio of Lumbridge is the one who provides the Anti-Dragonfire Shield.

... It's possible that instead of having a Myth's Guild send the player out to investigate Dragonkin Conflict era artifacts like DS2 in Old School does, that the tie-in to the Fort Forinthry series to Vorkath and Ungael runs through Ellamaria being a survivor of Elvarg's destruction of Crandor, or subsequent attack on Rimmington. It's Ellamaria that sufficiently warns Misthalin of Elvarg's general level of danger, but as she is a child she never gets around to returning to Crandor (as the Raptor, or as herself) to find Elvarg in her lair.

"But Hilda, how does Elvarg relate to Vorkath?"
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21-Jul-2023 23:18:21

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(cont.)

Old School's version of the Dragonkin Conflicts goes a bit further than Bob the Cat pulling one over on the 'Kin.

We actually get to meet Zorgoth, a Dactyl Dragonkin (like Kerapac) who appears momentarily in the Desperate Measures quest on our side fo the fence, and find out that he is the one who is responsible for creating Elvarg as a means to turn the tide back in the Dragonkin's favor.

He moves on from Crandor, leaving the green dragon creation there, to enhance a couple of blue dragons on an island called Ungael in the Lunar Sea. They don't meet his expectations - because while they are more devastating than Elvarg, they also are much more lethargic (probably due to being...undead, which will most certainly be spun differently in RS3) - resulting in the two blue dragons being deemed "vorkath" - or "worthless" in Kin-speak.

Eventually, he heads to the islands in the vicinity of Anachronia (or Fossil Island over there) to establish a large base of operations, where he is ultimately sealed by Robert the Strong an expanded group of friends - where he works on his final creation before the player liberates him in the Fifth Age.

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If we consider Dragonkin to be "parents" to the dragons they create, Elvarg and Vorkath are "sibling dragons" in a way, as both of them are created by Zorgoth. Which is where the hook to Ellamaria and Misthalin may come. She wasn't the one to enact revenge on Elvarg (should she the one who killed her parents) - but she could let go of her resentment by unloading it on Vorkath instead, especially if the party establishes Elvarg's history and relationship to Vorkath beforehand.
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21-Jul-2023 23:32:12

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Jagex's new writers are awful.
First Lumford (which has no right to exist by precedent of how location lore is handled) and now the Raptor.


Lumford is part of the scale theory (that in lore the map is much larger than the game we play. If we took the current RS map as is the surface world would only be a mile or two (2-3 kilometers) wide). Lore wise Gielinor is a world...and not even the full world. The current map would be like...the size of Europe and Asia. Lumford is a place in the areas we know, but just isn't significant enough for us to have ever gone there which is likely to remain the case.
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21-Jul-2023 23:45:08

Dilbert2001
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Flipping it over to the Ungael/Vorkath matter, there's some very interesting things that probably do fit with a future "Misthalin" focused conclusion series.

> (Assuming the fire that kills Ellamaria's parents and destroys her home is caused by a dragon) ... It is interesting that Misthalin is the center of many points of interest in the first Dragon Slayer quest found in both games. The Champion's Guild is located south of Varrock. Oziach lives in Edgeville, and Duke Horacio of Lumbridge is the one who provides the Anti-Dragonfire Shield.

... It's possible that instead of having a Myth's Guild send the player out to investigate Dragonkin Conflict era artifacts like DS2 in Old School does, that the tie-in to the Fort Forinthry series to Vorkath and Ungael runs through Ellamaria being a survivor of Elvarg's destruction of Crandor, or subsequent attack on Rimmington. It's Ellamaria that sufficiently warns Misthalin of Elvarg's general level of danger, but as she is a child she never gets around to returning to Crandor (as the Raptor, or as herself) to find Elvarg in her lair.

"But Hilda, how does Elvarg relate to Vorkath?"


Elvarg isn't related to Vorkath, not even in OSRS. Crandor is also not related to Ungael, not even in OSRS. Elvarg was just an ordinary dragon and a weak one, other than it was the first dragon we encountered in Runescape.

I don't see anything in the quest regarding dragon fire or Elvarg. Neither was there any lore about Elvarg's destruction in Varrock or other places of Misthalin.

If Elvarg killed Ellamara's parents, why wouldn't she go kill Elvarg for the revenge well before the player did?

Elvarg is history, long gone and forgotten history. Don't fear the old weak dragons, fear the 'Kin.

22-Jul-2023 15:57:20

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