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Dilbert, you're speculating. You could be right, but until it happens, I'm not going to entertain that as established fact unless you can point more concrete evidence than Ellamaria having a nightmare that her husband is going to give her a final farewell one day. That's something every wife probably loses a night or two of sleep over. It's too relative to pin down.

I don't believe Rasial is definitively involved with the Fort - and the reveal of what's to come seems to be a bit disjointed from the "main" Necromancy storyline that's about to hit us next month. That's probably a good thing too, because Necromancy desperately needed some overworld representation beyond the player's own necromantic abilities in combat.

This new threat will probably tie into existing lore in the game and be separated from the City of Um stuff. By the time it actually gets released, Necromancy, along with Rasial, already would have, and it just adds to the skill's efficacy upon the world of Gielinor as a whole.
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^^
Of course all of us are speculating because we will still have to wait 3 weeks before we see Necromancy. What you wrote, of course, applies to yourself too. :)

Two things I need to correct you though:

(1) Raisal is not specifically involved with any small scrimmage, including the Fort or not. He is not even the final boss. The final boss made him the First Necromancer, and the final boss has the powers to command undead (perhaps Zemoregal is one now too) . Guess who that will be? And of course, the final boss wants the entire world, he is not specifically attacking Fort Forinthry.

(2) Of course the new threat is tied to existing lore, strongly tied to it since the First Age, well before Zemouregal was born and Varrock was built. Of course, it is not limited to the City of Um, which is just the beginning of the high fantasy epic battle coming up. Shortly after the first 7 9 quests and bosses in City of Um, the threat is going to move all over the Overworld... Anachronia with the 4th Rex Matriarch... Daemonheim.... and everywhere all of us can think of.

Perhaps the list of quests Jagex recommends us to do in preparation for Nercomancy tells us the threat is all over the Overworld already, and not just in Fort Forinthry, City or Um or any tiny place we can think of.

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Again, the "new threat" that I am talking about isn't Rasial, or Xau-Tak by extension.

With where we are right now, Zemouregal and Vorkath are who we are concerned with at this time, and a small detachment of Fort Forinthry denizens at the very least are going to remain concerned with the former while trying to find the later.

It's possible that Vorkath, much like the GamJammed 4th Rex Matriarch, Hermod, and Rasial, is going to be a Necromancy-Only quest boss, and that may just be the extent this Fort Forinthry saga interacts with Necromancy at all.

Of course I'm speculating, but I'm going to stay on the rails and use the information we already have to make conjectures. There's nothing that suggests Roald is going to meet an early demise and that Ellamaria will use hang up the crown, and there's -certainly- nothing that suggests the player is going to be an adventuring royal of their own.
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Again, you can guess about Vorkath or whatnots. I'm not going to entertain that as established fact unless you can point more concrete evidence than the Zemouregal, who should be under of Moia now, took some pieces of map. They didn't even say a thing about Vorkath or whatnot in RS3. Neither is there in OSRS any lore about Vorkath having anything to do in the world, let alone Fort Forinthry or Varrock.

We can take Mod Jack's words directly about Fort Forinthry after the Aftermath quest. He explictly told us the new Wilderness and Fort Forinthry updates would took us back to the medieval conflicts of diplomats and politics from the save the world scenarios.

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I was hoping Raptor would be an undead that Zemouregal raised but wasn't able to control


We aren't even sure Zemouregal isn't an undead now, as Moia has clearly ripped his flesh apart. before Unwelcome Guest. Perhaps Xau-Tak raised him and used him for the Necromancy attacks, and that's why out of nowhere did he learn of all the Dragonkin stuff. ;)

18-Jul-2023 01:16:13

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I'm not merely guessing sweetheart.

1. The code to enter the Dragonkin Crypt that we learned whilst in Ellamaria's dream was Dragon > Vorkath > Necromancy, with Vorkath remaining in the original Dragonkin language as the player was quickly transcribing the other two words.

2. The island that Zemouregal is heading to based off of the map is Ungael. The island in which the player would fight Vorkath in Old School RuneScape is referred to as Ungael.

3. Siv claims that the Fremmenik are well aware of Ungael and that it isn't found on most maps because the Fremmenik actively avoid the island due to it "being home to a powerful dragon." Vorkath is a powerful dragon.

There's enough there (granted if you apply sufficient knowledge of OSRS, which some players may not have) to suggest that Zemouregal is going to try and resurrect Vorkath.

Given Zemouregal's previous fascination with Varrock in the Arrav quest series, it's quite possible that were the player (who happens to manage Fort Forinthry) and an NPC who just so happens be Varrock's queen not reach its home first, Vorkath may be commanded by Zemouregal once raised to attack Misthalin - which would very much make Vorkath's developments a part of the current quest line in the future.

That''s not a guess. That's now the state of play. When the time comes, the player and the Raptor set off to find Zemouregal playing with dead dragons. Not a First Necromancer or Anti-Elder-God to be found.
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The Raptor's retconning was bad!

Abby, I would definitely say that Queen Ellamaria gained notoriety almost completely at the Raptor's expense. There's a number of things going on with this roll-out in particular.

1. There are a small number of players that are making this a macro-issue about society "emasculating" strong male characters in favor of strong women or softer men or distinguished other identities. I don't want to cast this shame umbrella on players that have other qualms with Queen Ellamaria being the Raptor, but I am disappointed by this.

2. There are a much larger group of players that didn't catch or accept the turn in character perception Queen Ellamaria was receiving in Murder on the Border, where she eschews being a simple barmaid and instead has a bit of an adventuring background and some prowess in Slayer in particular - and just decided that they hated the Queen because she's the classic snobby royal trope in Garden of Tranquility that many players love to hate (in the good sense for some). This probably plays into your comment that the arc felt "unearned." I disagree, and I think I'll explain why in the next issue - but I could definitely compromise on an opinion that suggests Ellamaria and the Raptor needed more time to simmer before such a reveal.

3. The "unoriginal" 'Batman' backstory. Tragic incident results in two dead parents, the child finds their way into fabulous wealth, then moonlights as a masked vigilante. The thing about the Batman arc, is that such loss is the growing pain Bruce Wayne feels as he becomes the hero - and its a part of the payoff. One could also say that the Disney princess 'Mulan' also tries that pretending to be male thing here too. I respond with when it comes to art, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. It may not be new, but it worked before!

Lastly, it seems many didn't want the Raptor unmasked after all, what with her aire of mystery or whatever.
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@Hilda

1. I'm a woman myself, and I'm not some cooped up traditionalist either, I love seeing strong female characters in media. I play runescape, and my character has maxed out combat stats, she's a warrior. I also don't care about emasculated men in media, I don't think that it's a bad thing for male characters to exist in the same space that female characters once existed in (that of the housewife or damsel in distress)
So don't lump me in with the people who dislike the retcon because they think it emasculated the raptor.
It's actually the Queen's retconning I have an issue with.

It would have been more interesting to me if it was Alice from treasure hunter, or Aster.

2. My issue with Ellamaria's retconning is that she was an established character, with a story and a personality, and jagex seems to have completely thrown it aside to give her this new identity seemingly out of nowhere for shock value.
it doesn't really line up, and they obviously weren't planning it for years.

I love strong female characters, but I also love weak female characters, and Evil female characters, and silly female characters, or stupid female characters. My point being, Having the queen be snobby stuck up royal isn't a bad thing! Because it's a thing a character can be, and serves a purpose narratively.

Not everyone woman needs to be a warrior, and not every woman needs to be a house wife.

3. I'll be honest I dislike batman a lot. Personal preference, I'm not a fan of super heroes as a concept. I find it to be rather silly.


The raptor being unmasked as a woman could have been better, that's my two cents.
But the raptor's brooding and utilitarian attitude conflicts to much with Ellamarias existing character.

The raptor is obsessed with monster slaying, so having a backstory related more to monsters would have made a bit more sense, more than a fire...
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No worries. I certainly don't believe you're a part of that group. I do think it deserves a mention though, as its by far the most alarming take I've seen on it all day. There was no political impetus on Jagex' part, whether they were planning for Ellamaria to be the Raptor for a long while or not.

Having the queen be a snobby stuck up royal isn't a bad thing!

I completely agree - and I hope any knowing conversations between the player and the Raptor, or the Queen, keep some of the sass and denigration even though the player calls Ellamaria out for her rudeness in this quest. It's a part of Ellamaria that has always been enjoyable for me, and I'm someone who didn't think her retcon was necessarily rushed or lacked detail.

Ellamaria had an established backstory, and Jagex forced a new on her that doesn't align with who she is!

Aside from the specifics regarding the Blue Moon Inn, Queen Ellamaria's backstory, while definitely existent, wasn't much of a hallmark. Up until Fort Forinthry was built, She was a rags to riches woman who treated others, including her own husband when appropriate, with disdain. Even with the fleshing out in Murder on the Border, where she was also something of an adventurer herself, she was still abrasive to anyone not named Roald and she still had a rags to riches backstory.

What I would argue the Fort Forinthry quest series did for Ellamaria is flesh out her motivations for how she is the way she is throughout the game.

1. In Garden of Tranquility, she tasks the adventurer to make a garden - for her husband, whom she has a pet name for.

2. In Dimension of Disaster, Zombie Queen mourns her husband after Arrav claps back at her.

3. In Murder on the Border, the lady flexes the Slayer skills and saves Roald from Dark Beasts.

Lastly, Ellamaria and her husband created the Raptor persona to allow Ellamaria to be herself despite the taxing demands of her station.
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