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Uppel
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Uppel

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Not polling usability tweaks, information display features and other small stuff

Yeah, sounds logical. It reduces the strain on the polls and its voters, it can become tedious to poll every little tidbit. Unworkable even.

But. But, but but. Our Jmods have done horribly bad with interpreting what is acceptable and what should not be allowed. Bloody utterly unacceptably bad.
Dragon spear spec? Six hour botting splashing? Farm plugins? Exact stats of opponent visible during crucial pvp fights? Minimaps visible where they don't exist for normal players? Implings made visible when not in plain view? Streamers getting away with mousekeys that do 6 actions all at once? .... so many things were/are allowed that are blatantly unfair.

I do not think our Jmods have a good perspective on what should and what should not be allowed in this game. So far, they have proven to be very bad at moral judgement.

So no, although it seems logical, let's not do this.


Giving maxed players extra voting power

Actually, I like this. I'm working off the assumption that these players care about their game and probably intend to keep it a very good game for years to come.
I'm a bit scared that what they will like might focus too much on PvP and endgame content. Hopefully we can all work around that bias, if they get extra voting power.
Isn't it strange that so many players blindly apply to clans, without ever wondering why there are openings in that clan?

25-Jan-2017 22:03:23

Ecdysterone
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26-Jan-2017 11:34:39

Hugos here

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After your un-polled update on mousekeys which only effects un-maxed players or players that tried to abide by your rules as much as possible. I feel everything should be polled. The whole purpose of old school polls were to allow the players to decide updates. You have weakened the trust on un-polled updates the past few days therefor I really do not feel comfortable with anything being un-polled from this point on.
I like the idea of hiding the results until the end of poll but even that requires trust on our behalf that they are not tampered with to serve your personal views. Please don't make the same mistakes that were made on RS3 and lose the trust or respect of the players.

26-Jan-2017 13:19:27

Reminiscon

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One suggestion I want to make to improve your polling system:

It makes little sense to require that the removal of existing content require 75% to be removed. This is because if something passes with 75% support, but is found to be ruining the game (Nightmare Zone??), support for that content may well drop to 50%, but it still won't be removed or modified accordingly because you require 75% even when it comes to reversing changes that a previously held majority voted for. This is just not practical because regardless of how bad an update turns out to be, support will never drop from 75%+ all the way down to the 24% or less required to remove it.

I am proposing that when it comes to REMOVING content or REVERSING an update, any questions of that nature be re-worded to "Should ______ REMAIN in the game?" And if it doesn't get 75% support, it is removed or modified.

Primary examples of this are Nightmare Zone, which should have been nerfed long long ago. And of course the Wilderness Ditch, which made it into the game without a poll yet is unwanted by around 70% of the player-base. It never would have passed in a million years.
Long live the Wilderness. Long live risk vs reward in PVM. Long live 2006.

26-Jan-2017 19:45:06 - Last edited on 26-Jan-2017 19:49:51 by Reminiscon

Zitri
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Librarian 42 said :
Angel2D4 said :
@Lib

I'm not opposed to putting it to a vote.. unless that vote is limited to only a select grouping of players can vote on it.. poll the percentage.. they've done it before (it failed) and it might even pass this time with all the 'new' players they've attracted over the last 6 or 8 months.

What I'm opposed to (among other things) is jagex simply deciding that they'll lower it.. claiming 'good of the game' or some other BS.. and then lowering it and repolling everything that hasn't passed in the past.. because they're simply too lazy to discuss with the community what the community wants and because they want an easier way to ensure that what they want in the game ends up in the game.


I must have misread (or just been lazy when reading, I'm not that bothered what they do anymore) But I presumed the lowering of the total would be done by a vote. I might go back and have a read.

As I stated in a different post, I see this as a possible endgame to how we saw it 3 years ago. It depends how it plays out. Lowering the threshold (especially if on a vote it goes as low as 50% +1) could finally prove the last straw for lots of players who seemed blind to what was happening.

Of course I presume they have done their homework, and I'm guessing they want Double XP Weekends or something else soon and lowering the vote is the only way to get it.

If it crashes badly enough then I'm then hoping they decide to offer the game as an independent download, as we've been asking for one last strike out for money.


I would be fine with it being a single player download. I would pay for it i usually play by myself anyway on here. I honestly would quit if they do this just because like you and others have stated its just one more nail in the coffin or whats to come next. I like the game but will have to do something else.
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27-Jan-2017 16:02:23

Reminiscon

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WHY do you people think 70% is good?

It's all fine and dandy until something passes with 71% that makes you want to vomit. Don't come crying to me.
Long live the Wilderness. Long live risk vs reward in PVM. Long live 2006.

30-Jan-2017 02:07:28

Animism
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Hugos here said :
After your un-polled update on mousekeys which only effects un-maxed players or players that tried to abide by your rules as much as possible. I feel everything should be polled.



That was a beneficial update for the masses. Doesn't really require a poll when it's a no brainer - especially concerning 3rd party clients and technical game rule-breaking advantages, which is what they are and contain.

'End-game' raids managed to become reality, when only a minority can really do it to their advantage... I'd say the playerbase are causing more damage in this game. I believe Jagex are well aware of the downfalls that occured in RS2-3, and would avoid them like the plague for their own benefit and profit.

If 75% ended up voting for EoC, you better hope Jagex do have a backbone over their own games direction.

26-Feb-2017 10:25:13

OnFirez

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Its nice to see u guys have realized this and you are right , as example i saw in 2016 there was a vote for "teleblock in f2p " and it didnt make it , and im 100 % all that voted no it were almost all none f2p multy pkers , because if u would go w8 wildy and ask people if they want TELEBLOCK IN F2p almost all of the f2p multy pk community would say yes , PLEASE, make another poll for TELEBLOCK in F2P , it will make f2p multy pk wat more exiting and fun for sure .

06-Mar-2017 05:48:41

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