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Reminiscon

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Formerly Joy said :
I want to note:

Even dropping the polling systems threshold down by 5% would be a slight improvement, but I don't feel it'd be significant enough. The absolute minimum I'd see providing a happy balance to what updates should, and should not pass, all while being at a passable barrier is 68%. I do think Jagex should be dropping the threshold anywhere between 65-68% to pass.

This would make a massive difference in the dev-team as a business, and offer our game a guaranteed future. We will not struggle and have wars over every single update.

75 Just isn't going to cut it. I really hope Jagex staff members are taking all this feedback and trying to make an informed decision. I truly do not believe specialized polls is the answer, because whose to trust those builds keep it balanced? But at the end of the day, I would support specialized polls so long as the threshold is addressed as well, because those specialized polls will only help a small community...not everyone suffering from the current system.



75% does cut it.

Look, we have 66k online now, we have been growing.

Don't fix what isn't broken, don't rock the boat, or else you will get updates that will make people like me QUIT, AGAIN.


Look, I'd love to have the wilderness ditch removed even though it failed with around 70%, but guess what? I am NOT willing to allow garbage into this game in order to achieve the few things I wished passed. If you lower the % you risk them adding something into the game that you hate, is it really worth it?
Long live the Wilderness. Long live risk vs reward in PVM. Long live 2006.

22-Jan-2017 20:17:39 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2017 20:31:55 by Reminiscon

S Klasse AMG

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Jagex is a business, but it's the players that allows jagex to continue their business. IF jagex cannot manage their player's satisfaction level, they can bid their money farewell.

Remember Joy, the game does not revolve solely among 1 person. One update affects all, including 3 parties (Yes, Neutral, No).


I am not satisfied with the 75% because it still allowed many updates to pass due to overwhelming voting bias (sees result and vote according to results, not with thoughts), besides Jagex being partially transparent about their plans.

While this is the same 75% that blocks off (some) people who cannot accept the fact that the poll failed and wants to challenge nature to pass it.


This was the same 75% threshold that allowed quality content like ballista to be fixated into the game that eventually loss it's taste due to poor planning and foresight.

This was the same 75% threshold that wasted developer's time on LMS minigame that ended up being dead content, just like feeding a child the same candy til he gets sick of it.


This was the same 75% threshold that die-hard people campaigned vigorously for spirit shields and dragon claws to pass for their self-interest. Forced the developer to divert their interest to pleasing insatiable children


Is it selfish to force a game to align with your own expectation, rather than the expectation they made to grow the game when they dedicate their career for osrs since day 1?
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23-Jan-2017 11:39:32

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23-Jan-2017 15:32:11

Angel2D4

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Flyline said :
Get rid of the polling system altogether.
It has never been fair in my view.
You Jagex mods. are all adults .
Run the game the way you see fit period.
Flyline.


Because that worked soooooo well with that cash shop and then eoc right?

pfft
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25-Jan-2017 07:30:27

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Flyline said :
Get rid of the polling system altogether.
It has never been fair in my view.
You Jagex mods. are all adults .
Run the game the way you see fit period.
Flyline.


They're so garbage at delivering balanced content, and also trying so hard to please the "vocal" reddit they neglected so many important social aspects of the game.
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25-Jan-2017 11:30:50

Zitri
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Zitri

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Honor the polling system. It was made this way for a reason and OSRS was brought out for a reason. We have worked on our accounts now for years if you change this and make it like rs3 many people will quit. I will surely quit because I don't want a rs3 repeat. If we wanted that game or to be treated like them we would play that game. WE DONT. Some people come here from rs3 and play it and this that's fine. However, dont put this on our community . Some won't quit that benefit from these changes but over time with more saturation from the mis steps that have been taken with rs3 more will leave. Your doing good and the game is going fine. Please learn from your mistakes in the past. :D

25-Jan-2017 13:13:25

Zitri
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Icycle said :
Mr Simpleton said :
If anything, it should go up to 85%. People keep voting for new content instead of good content.


Personally, I'd prefer 80% for now. We can raise it to 85% later if needed.

But still, raising the threshold for passing is a good idea.


This sounds good.
:D

25-Jan-2017 13:18:50

Zitri
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Zitri

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Reminiscon said :
Formerly Joy said :
I want to note:

Even dropping the polling systems threshold down by 5% would be a slight improvement, but I don't feel it'd be significant enough. The absolute minimum I'd see providing a happy balance to what updates should, and should not pass, all while being at a passable barrier is 68%. I do think Jagex should be dropping the threshold anywhere between 65-68% to pass.

This would make a massive difference in the dev-team as a business, and offer our game a guaranteed future. We will not struggle and have wars over every single update.

75 Just isn't going to cut it. I really hope Jagex staff members are taking all this feedback and trying to make an informed decision. I truly do not believe specialized polls is the answer, because whose to trust those builds keep it balanced? But at the end of the day, I would support specialized polls so long as the threshold is addressed as well, because those specialized polls will only help a small community...not everyone suffering from the current system.



75% does cut it.

Look, we have 66k online now, we have been growing.

Don't fix what isn't broken, don't rock the boat, or else you will get updates that will make people like me QUIT, AGAIN.


Look, I'd love to have the wilderness ditch removed even though it failed with around 70%, but guess what? I am NOT willing to allow garbage into this game in order to achieve the few things I wished passed. If you lower the % you risk them adding something into the game that you hate, is it really worth it?


Thats the way i feel too. I would rather the things i wanted in game not to come in order to keep out the things that would do irreparable damage to the game in the long term.
:D

25-Jan-2017 13:22:26

Uppel
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Uppel

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Poll passing percentage lowering to 70%

If anything, raise it to 90% for a poll to pass. Because players that enjoy the game now and get a horrible update shoved down their throat will be tempted to just abandon the game and find something else to spend their money on. A horrible update you are very much against is a possible breaking point for that individual player. The forced removal of the wilderness and the forced introduction of eoc are examples.
Any update should require an overwhelming majority of players, so you can expect pretty much everyone to be in favour of that change to their beloved game.


Minority updates to be voted on by that minority only

It sounds logical.
But it would only work well if you are quite certain that the intended update only affects that small minority (pures, pkers, castlewarsfanatics, whatever). If it does change anything for the other players as well, they all should have a say in it.
Frankly, I don't trust our Jmods to be able to make 100% accurate predictions. So let's not go out on thin ice and keep the polls open on every question for everyone, please.


Changing vote during poll period

Sounds super. Why wasn't that possible in the first place? One misclick is fatal now. Yes, please, change it so we can correct any mistakes we make.


Hide preliminary poll results

The ability to see if a poll is passing or not and by which percentage gives an unique opportunity to tamper with the polls. Cheaters must love the information handed to them, it's so easy to rally your supporters/bots and influence poll results now.
In any real democracy all votes are secret/hidden/invisible til the voting period is over. It seems only logical to hide the poll votes in osrs, too.

-continue on second post, sorry for ton of text-
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25-Jan-2017 21:51:02

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