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1. I do support hiding poll results until the poll is over, "famous" runescape streamers and youtubers should not be able to hold so much influence over updates. Currently they will use it to get their viewers to vote a certain way and if they can't check where it's at they will not be able to panic rally their followers as much.

2. Require participating in the polls upon login or pre-login for all accounts to get more accurate results. This way everyone who plays the game will be forced to give their opinion,I know there's people who are too lazy to vote half the time O_o .

3. Remove the "skip question" option, in the beginning we all had this sense of duty to provide our opinion on any content polled whether it effected our personal gameplay or not because we wanted to ensure everything was for the game's best interest. I think many of us who have played for many years can judge whether an idea that only effects a certain part of the players like pures/ironmen/pvp/pvm is good or bad content for the game even if we aren't a member of that sub-community.

4. Word the questions better without any bias and as some have mentioned here try to explain what long-term impacts the update will have on the game and each aspect it will effect with a #/color scale like a progress bar type graphic to indicate how severely it will impact various content:

-Predicted economic impact it will have on the game as many people don't understand supply/demand so they vote for an update without realizing the effects it will have on prices.

-Skilling update: How much will it effect the xp/hr rates? Will it make older methods less efficient or bring life to some dead content?

-Combat update: Will the difficulty of any bosses change? How will it effect slayer? Will solo or group pvp change?

5 . More active discussion on forums with us about these dev blogs/updates it's like after a day jmods stop responding.

14-Jan-2017 16:54:10

Avid Sparx

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Ezo Red Fox said :
And with a system that requires 75% Yes to pass, a minority of 26% very much does have full control.

See, EVERY STUDY done by JaGex, has shown that players quit because an update they did NOT like got introduced ...NOT because an update they wanted DIDN'T.

Are you really having trouble grasping that?
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14-Jan-2017 16:56:50

Ezo Red Fox
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Ezo Red Fox

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For many updates, the other 30% is the 30% that votes to not add any updates to the game, the 30% that wants the game to stagnate, which inevitably leads to people leaving because they run out of things to do, the game doesn't progress.

In other cases, it's a 30% voting against something which would be genuinely bad for the integrity of the game as a whole.

You can't rely on votes. You have to take feedback into account.
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Make a poll that adds something which gives you 1M GP per day. Assume that 80% of people vote Yes on it because they want free money, and the other 20% votes no because it would hurt the game in the long term.

Under this system, it passes because it got over 75%, except the other 20% should have been given reason because it truly doesn't make sense to add such an update to the game.


Make a poll that suggests adding a handful of new quests to the game, with more than balanced rewards. Assume that only 74% of people end up voting Yes on it, and 26% vote no, for whatever reason.

Then 74% get let down, all because for some reason a minority 30% the size of the majority takes the power?

Avid Sparx said :
Yup, it DOES work fine, as it's a SUPERMAJORITY CONSENSUS that an update is worthy of the game.

Get it yet?


You fail to get the point entirely, but from someone like you I didn't expect any better.

If you require a "SUPERMAJORITY CONSENSUS" then why do you accept "SUPERMINORITY NON-CONSENSUS" to dictate what can or cannot make it into the game?
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14-Jan-2017 16:57:48

Formerly Joy

Formerly Joy

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Formerly Joy said :
VideoGymer said :
Let's take a look at some of the accounts builds we have in Runescape!

Iron Man
Ultimate Iron Man
Hardcore Iron Man
Tanks
Obby Maul Pures
Obby Maul Tanks
1 Defence Pures
10 Defence Pures
20 Defence Pures
30 Defence Pures
40 Defence Pures
42 Defence Void Pures
45 Defence Berserkers
70 Defence Barrow Pures
Maxed Mid PK Builds
Skillers
Defence Pures
Prayer Pures
Self-Imposed Challenge Accounts (Zeah ONLY Iron Man)
10 HP Pures

And of course... MAIN ACCOUNTS!

Take all of this. All of it, and begin to factor in:
-Some people don't want updates at all (which upsets the majority of the player-base)
-Some people don't like voting
-People hate updates that don't benefit their account builds
-People hate updates that benefit others
-People selfishly deny any update that "might" devalue another item


Guys, this is really important. You cannot just expect to make "pure polling" or "iron man polling" a thing. This will not balance out the fact that the polling threshold is too high. 75% Is too high. We will never achieve balance.

14-Jan-2017 17:02:22

Avid Sparx

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Ezo Red Fox said :
For many updates, the other 30% is the 30% that votes to not add any updates to the game, the 30% that wants the game to stagnate,

Well that's a crock o crap, since MANY MANY MANY polls have passed at 95% +

Where were those 30% then, hmm?


Quit talking out your smelliest place, and face facts already.
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14-Jan-2017 17:11:37

Avid Sparx

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Ezo Red Fox said :

If you require a "SUPERMAJORITY CONSENSUS" then why do you accept "SUPERMINORITY NON-CONSENSUS" to dictate what can or cannot make it into the game?

Avid Sparx said :
Ezo Red Fox said :
And with a system that requires 75% Yes to pass, a minority of 26% very much does have full control.

See, EVERY STUDY done by JaGex, has shown that players quit because an update they did NOT like got introduced ...NOT because an update they wanted DIDN'T.

Are you really having trouble grasping that?


The derp is strong with this one... :@
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14-Jan-2017 17:12:49

Xoprobe

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Pures and ironmen should not get special polls. Anybody can roll an ironman or pure......everybody should be able to vote. The only idea I kind of like is hiding poll results.

This seems, however, like a hidden agenda to just get more crap in the game from childish mods. You just add things into the game that YOU want. The poll system does not need any changes, except for maybe writing things with less bias, less crap content, and less just doing what you want. Were raids ever even polled? Or did they just get shoved in our face and we could pick the lame rewards?

Stop trying to push your hidden agenda. The poll system doesn't need any changes. Fail raids and now this back to back kind of seems like you're struttin out on thin ice. Can we get a new oldschool team?

I want to provide honest feedback, because I really disapprove of where you are leading this game.

14-Jan-2017 17:41:54

S Klasse AMG

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Avid Sparx said :
Ezo Red Fox said :
And with a system that requires 75% Yes to pass, a minority of 26% very much does have full control.

See, EVERY STUDY done by JaGex, has shown that players quit because an update they did NOT like got introduced ...NOT because an update they wanted DIDN'T.

Are you really having trouble grasping that?


Avid Sparx said :
Ezo Red Fox said :
For many updates, the other 30% is the 30% that votes to not add any updates to the game, the 30% that wants the game to stagnate,

Well that's a crock o crap, since MANY MANY MANY polls have passed at 95% +

Where were those 30% then, hmm?


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14-Jan-2017 17:42:34

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