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S Klasse AMG

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As if you can trust special accounts with special builds to vote for what is balanced for them instead of what is advantages for them.

An ironman SHOULD NOT be able to have greater power than the normal community to decide contents for himself because the game is NOT CREATED to revolve around ironman, neither is it for accounts with special builds. It is created to support ~~all types of~~ players who plays by how the game is originally intended to be played.

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14-Jan-2017 17:49:44 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 17:53:22 by S Klasse AMG

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S Klasse AMG said :
As if you can trust special accounts with special builds to vote for what is balanced for them instead of what is advantages for them.

An ironman SHOULD NOT be able to have greater power than the normal community to decide contents for himself because the game is NOT CREATED to revolve around ironman, neither is it for accounts with special builds. It is created to support all types of players.
A whole lotta this. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 17:52:02

Narkeneth

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I think this is fine. way too many good updates have been shot down by the power hungry 75% vote kids. Sometimes the players dont know whats best, or what they are voting for. Like guthan nmz never got shot down because the 75% wanted their free afk xp. Ect. Some things the devs should be able to take care of without polls.

14-Jan-2017 18:36:36

Narkeneth

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S Klasse AMG said :
As if you can trust special accounts with special builds to vote for what is balanced for them instead of what is advantages for them.

An ironman SHOULD NOT be able to have greater power than the normal community to decide contents for himself because the game is NOT CREATED to revolve around ironman, neither is it for accounts with special builds. It is created to support ~~all types of~~ players who plays by how the game is originally intended to be played.

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His ironman content doesnt effect you, why should you have a say?

You shouldnt. Just like pures. If your not a pure, you shouldnt get to vote on what pures can and cant do if it only effects pures.

14-Jan-2017 18:37:55 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 18:40:17 by Narkeneth

Formerly Joy

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Then it sounds like I am right. If everyone thinks we cannot trust special builds to vote for themselves, then the next obvious problem is the current threshold number itself. Which in my opinion 75% should be 65%.

This effects Jagex as a business, and our entire communities future.

The game has over 100 unique account builds, and all of them have to come together to vote towards an absurdly high threshold each poll. The game also has an open economy, that some player feels is threatened by the release of any new high level content gear. Or in other words "this new armor might devalue my current high level armor", rather than using the logic that we should embrace old high level content being replaced as med-level content. We have some players who'd swear the game NEEDS new content to not die off, and some players who swear that they'll vote no to literally every polled question to keep old school old.

There are so many factors that play towards each and every poll. It is a shit show. Every major content has only passed due to the anxious support rallies over social medias. This should not be the intentions of the Jagex polling system.

I do propose it be dropped to 65, and I don't think it should even be polled. It never was in the first place, but either way it is a business decision that could lead to the growth of the Old School Runescape Development Team.

I can't see any other solutions making any impact towards the polling problem. Raids lost the chance to offer so much more, and I think this dev-blog is Jagex realizing that, and wishing to fix it for future content. Mod Ash even devoted an entire RuneFest presentation to this problem a couple years ago.

Jagex obviously is trying to say "we think this is a problem." Pretending you're some analytics professional will only hurt their game, and our game, and for no good reason. Please don't be morons everyone.

14-Jan-2017 18:45:09

Formerly Joy

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I want to note:

Even dropping the polling systems threshold down by 5% would be a slight improvement, but I don't feel it'd be significant enough. The absolute minimum I'd see providing a happy balance to what updates should, and should not pass, all while being at a passable barrier is 68%. I do think Jagex should be dropping the threshold anywhere between 65-68% to pass.

This would make a massive difference in the dev-team as a business, and offer our game a guaranteed future. We will not struggle and have wars over every single update.

75 Just isn't going to cut it. I really hope Jagex staff members are taking all this feedback and trying to make an informed decision. I truly do not believe specialized polls is the answer, because whose to trust those builds keep it balanced? But at the end of the day, I would support specialized polls so long as the threshold is addressed as well, because those specialized polls will only help a small community...not everyone suffering from the current system.

14-Jan-2017 18:53:13

Avid Sparx

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Narkeneth said :
S Klasse AMG said :
As if you can trust special accounts with special builds to vote for what is balanced for them instead of what is advantages for them.

An ironman SHOULD NOT be able to have greater power than the normal community to decide contents for himself because the game is NOT CREATED to revolve around ironman, neither is it for accounts with special builds. It is created to support ~~all types of~~ players who plays by how the game is originally intended to be played.

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His ironman content doesnt effect you, why should you have a say?

You shouldnt. Just like pures. If your not a pure, you shouldnt get to vote on what pures can and cant do if it only effects pures.

Are you even aware of what the concept of MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER means?

There ARE no 'isolated' updates, it ALL interconnects.

As well, just because a player isn't a pur or iron TODAY, doesn't mean they won't be TOMORROW. And if an update occurs that they didn't like, simply because they were precluded from voting TODAY, they likely WON'T play it TOMORROW. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 18:59:16

Avid Sparx

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Formerly Joy said :
I want to note:

Even dropping the polling systems threshold down by 5% would be a slight improvement, but I don't feel it'd be significant enough. The absolute minimum I'd see providing a happy balance to what updates should, and should not pass, all while being at a passable barrier is 68%. I do think Jagex should be dropping the threshold anywhere between 65-68% to pass.

This would make a massive difference in the dev-team as a business, and offer our game a guaranteed future. We will not struggle and have wars over every single update.

75 Just isn't going to cut it. I really hope Jagex staff members are taking all this feedback and trying to make an informed decision. I truly do not believe specialized polls is the answer, because whose to trust those builds keep it balanced? But at the end of the day, I would support specialized polls so long as the threshold is addressed as well, because those specialized polls will only help a small community...not everyone suffering from the current system.

As Jagex themselves have found out, and said to us, players quit NOT because an update they really wanted DIDN'T get in, but because one they DIDN'T like DID.

The 75% supermajority consensus ensures that the vast majority of players will remain playing.

So, if only 5% quits from an update they hats (could be more, could be less) that's around 1.25% players quitting (.25 x .05)

If pass threshold was dropped to even 67%, that would be an extra half a percent more quitting, driving the game towards death that much faster.

Noe. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 19:03:52

Avid Sparx

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And it's funny that this changed... Original message details are unavailable.

Mat K on changing the polling system

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I don't see any particular reason to change the requirements for a poll to pass. I think overall it has served us well. Lowering the requirements will allow more changes to pass, but I feel safe (and I think the majority of the community feel safe) in the knowledge that there has to be overwhelming support for something to be added to the game.

...AFTER they started exclusively frequenting reddit... 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 19:12:07

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Main Player7

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Dear jagex mods please add combat style lock. Or poll it for 45- def to vote for.

Every year I make a new pure. Not because I want to but after 7-8 months of hybriding you tend to missclick sometimes and all my recent account end up 6 defence(6 missclicks over 1 year) then I turn them main. Soz I nh. Death end. and my up and coming unwanted piety acc.

Be more careful you say? Protect melee and eagle eye are conveniently in the same spot as defensive attack style. So if you're hybriding and using Fkeys and you go for dds then your apponent counter dds's you. if you mess up in the slightest and hit f3 a little late you can ruin your pure in just 1 click. That's usually how most pures get "ruined".

After all the hard work we put into these accounts months of grinding out a 60 attack 99 strength 99 range 99 mage pure (pets, diaries, skills) and EVERYWHERE you go all you hear is "failed pure", "restart account", "maybe you should get 20 def", "go main".

Honestly combat style lock option is more quality of life there's no reason to vote against it other than if you just hate pures which for some reason 50% of this community does. I don't make a pure to restrict myself or brag about my skills. I pk everyday cause it's all I know, been a pure for literally 8 years I don't like making main/zerk accounts out of pures I thought would last me all year. Please add combat style lock so I can play worry free.

And osbuddy laggs so hard for me I do not want to download any third party clients, trusted or not in order to mod this game.

14-Jan-2017 19:23:34 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 19:26:49 by Main Player7

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