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Formerly Joy

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Avid Sparx said :
Formerly Joy said :
I want to note:

Even dropping the polling systems threshold down by 5% would be a slight improvement, but I don't feel it'd be significant enough. The absolute minimum I'd see providing a happy balance to what updates should, and should not pass, all while being at a passable barrier is 68%. I do think Jagex should be dropping the threshold anywhere between 65-68% to pass.

This would make a massive difference in the dev-team as a business, and offer our game a guaranteed future. We will not struggle and have wars over every single update.

75 Just isn't going to cut it. I really hope Jagex staff members are taking all this feedback and trying to make an informed decision. I truly do not believe specialized polls is the answer, because whose to trust those builds keep it balanced? But at the end of the day, I would support specialized polls so long as the threshold is addressed as well, because those specialized polls will only help a small community...not everyone suffering from the current system.

As Jagex themselves have found out, and said to us, players quit NOT because an update they really wanted DIDN'T get in, but because one they DIDN'T like DID.

The 75% supermajority consensus ensures that the vast majority of players will remain playing.

So, if only 5% quits from an update they hats (could be more, could be less) that's around 1.25% players quitting (.25 x .05)

If pass threshold was dropped to even 67%, that would be an extra half a percent more quitting, driving the game towards death that much faster.

Noe.

Terrible logic. Having more content helps promote the games growth. Did you notice that the release of raids peaked the player base to 70,000 PLAYERS!? That's the highest we've seen in years.

I think you should go back to Club Penguin with that logic.

14-Jan-2017 19:43:59

Desi

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[quote id=380-381-355-65869652-150-340205642][quote id=380-381-355-65869652-147-340205339] Terrible logic. Having more content helps promote the games growth. Did you notice that the release of raids peaked the player base to 70,000 PLAYERS!? That's the highest we've seen in years. I think you should go back to Club Penguin with that logic.[/quote] As someone who has played the game for a long time. Believe me when I say, that doing this would result in a bad effect on the community. There is a rule to not change a winning strategy. The reason 75% works for the community is because it insures that any update that passes was passed by an overwhelming majority. The thing that went wrong with rs3 was what I call hyperupdating. This is a result of the game changing too fast. The game changes fast, grows, more staff or brought on, but then at the end of the day, it's just more staff to make the game change more. This is to say they can't sit around doing nothing all day, so they push to have more work to do. In this case, you are asking to lower our community's pass rate to 70, which will in turn cause more updates to come into the game. Not all updates are meant to pass, and so far every update that has passed is preserving the old school feel. What seems like a small percentage decrease will actually play a monumental impact on the community old school has tried so hard to preserve. Again, the same reason Zezima quit, and many others who actually are the founding player base of the game: the game continually is getting easier. In the case of polls passing at 70, you will introduce more updates to the game and slowly trickle away from the old school feeling.

14-Jan-2017 19:48:10

dunforgiven

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Ezo Red Fox said :
Pure democracy is bad because if 50.1% want it but 49.9% don't want it, you make a whole lot of people unhappy.

50 of what? thousands of bots? you want to give control of the game to the highest bidder?

as Churchill said, democracy is the worse form of government, save for every type ever found by humans.

is 50% good enough? it depends on if you want to have the game change at breakneck speed.

almost every update has had 50% support. very few have not gotten 50%. why bother with polls at all if every update is going to pass? why not let gearhead and the ones like him decide what we will take. I have a strong belief that he is in the forum right now. there is a thread suggesting that we add eoc to the game and the op has praised him for his brilliance.

50% will not guarantee we will not have eoc next month. 75% will.

edit to add:

you got it backwards. its not that 26% can not force things the other 74% don't want. its so that 74% can not force things the 26% do not want. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 19:59:25 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 20:05:49 by dunforgiven

Avid Sparx

Avid Sparx

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Desi said :
Formerly Joy said :
Avid Sparx said :


Terrible logic. Having more content helps promote the games growth. Did you notice that the release of raids peaked the player base to 70,000 PLAYERS!? That's the highest we've seen in years.

I think you should go back to Club Penguin with that logic.



As someone who has played the game for a long time. Believe me when I say, that doing this would result in a bad effect on the community. There is a rule to not change a winning strategy. The reason 75% works for the community is because it insures that any update that passes was passed by an overwhelming majority.

The thing that went wrong with rs3 was what I call hyperupdating. This is a result of the game changing too fast. The game changes fast, grows, more staff or brought on, but then at the end of the day, it's just more staff to make the game change more. This is to say they can't sit around doing nothing all day, so they push to have more work to do. In this case, you are asking to lower our community's pass rate to 70, which will in turn cause more updates to come into the game. Not all updates are meant to pass, and so far every update that has passed is preserving the old school feel.

What seems like a small percentage decrease will actually play a monumental impact on the community old school has tried so hard to preserve. Again, the same reason Zezima quit, and many others who actually are the founding player base of the game: the game continually is getting easier. In the case of polls passing at 70, you will introduce more updates to the game and slowly trickle away from the old school feeling.
Exactly, thank you. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 19:59:42

Avid Sparx

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And for the record, never played this 'club penguin' you speak of...perhaps you should ask for your changes THERE, Joy, as you seem to know it well? 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

14-Jan-2017 20:00:37

dunforgiven

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H4tuH00T2494 said :
Pure accounts make a large amount of the "oldschool" community 10000000% Support this

pure make up a fraction of pkers. pkers make up about 15% of the player base. how is 7% a "large amount of old school community"? frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 20:02:04

dunforgiven

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Ezo Red Fox said :
For many updates, the other 30% is the 30% that votes to not add any updates to the game, the 30% that wants the game to stagnate, which inevitably leads to people leaving because they run out of things to do, the game doesn't progress.

if 30% want the game to stagnate, how is it that the majority of polls actually pass. only 2 to 3 percent want no updates. the majority want updates that are good for the game, but cant agree on what that means. having 75% means that 3 out of 4 agree that its good. 50% means that only a few percentage want something and use alts to make it pass. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 20:09:14

dunforgiven

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Ezo Red Fox said :
If you require a "SUPERMAJORITY CONSENSUS" then why do you accept "SUPERMINORITY NON-CONSENSUS" to dictate what can or cannot make it into the game?

a super minority can not FORCE issues into the game. they can only prevent what they consider bad things from entering the game. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 20:12:28

dunforgiven

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Narkeneth said :
I think this is fine. way too many good updates have been shot down by the power hungry 75% vote kids. Sometimes the players dont know whats best, or what they are voting for. Like guthan nmz never got shot down because the 75% wanted their free afk xp. Ect. Some things the devs should be able to take care of without polls.

such as eoc?

such as buyscape?

who is to decide what can be put in without a poll? you? me? frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 20:14:46

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