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The End
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The End

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Glad this is being discussed. This is a difficult issue to tackle, and I think some of the suggestions in the intro post are fine; however, I think the two main things that need to be handled are:

-Better worded poll questions to avoid bias to vote a particular direction.
-In line with above, clearer explanation on full ramification of an update. Oftentimes it isn't clear all the changes that would come with that particular update. So perhaps more linking to the actual Dev Blog for more details.

14-Jan-2017 15:41:59 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 15:43:12 by The End

ye bru

ye bru

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Avid Sparx said :
Magickarp said :
Support for pure-only related content polls, also please acknowledge the difference between a "singles" pure account build and a "clanning" pure account build. No support for pures being able to return to Ape Atoll without claiming the experience reward, that ship has already sailed. Support for Tele Block to be introduced to F2P as well as corrupt / degradable tier 60 weapons to change the current F2P meta and make defence less overpowered in F2P fights.

How many alts will you say the same thing with?
Not alts haha, we're all members belonging to the same pure clan who want to see a change in how pure updates are proposed in future.
RAGE #1 High-level Pure Clan

14-Jan-2017 15:45:16 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 15:47:05 by ye bru

WhoCareZz

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No... There are already too many trash updates coming into the game that was supposed to have a nostalgic feeling..

Shame on you to try to push an idea that failed less than 2 years ago through the community now.

14-Jan-2017 15:58:14 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 15:58:40 by WhoCareZz

dunforgiven

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this thread highlights the problem with changing the polling system.

pures claim EVERYTHING is pure only content.

they say mm1 bypassing the defense is pure only.
they say pure worlds is pure content only.
they say giving them access to high level armor is pure content only.
they say ......

everything in the game is pure content only for pures. it doesn't matter how much it affects non pures, if its something pures want, its pure content only.

this game is a sand box. everything that anyone does affects others. there is no pure, ironman, or other tiny group content that doesn't affect all other types of players.

changing the polling system to "those who want it only" would mean the vast majority aren't even worth listening to.

pures would be able to vote for every armor being available at defense level 1 (there have been many threads demanding this already). they would say it doesn't affect anyone else, but it will make them unbeatable in the low level wild where almost all combat is at.

ironman would vote to prevent non ironman from competing with them since its only way they can get mobs, which means no one else will have those mobs if an ironman is anywhere near by.

pkers would vote to force non pkers into the wild by putting all the high level stuff in the wild, since the wild is only pker content.

it was decided to have the polls at 75% for a reason. the majority should have control, not the minority that have 1000 alts.
frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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14-Jan-2017 16:00:47

Ezo Red Fox
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Ernie Loco said :
TL;DR
the current polling system works fine. Don't change it.


26% of voters can dictate what the other 74% can get.

"works fine"

Gotcha.

dunforgiven said :
it was decided to have the polls at 75% for a reason. the majority should have control, not the minority that have 1000 alts.


And with a system that requires 75% Yes to pass, a minority of 26% very much does have full control. Anyone can tell you, that this should -not- be the case.


Pure democracy is bad because if 50.1% want it but 49.9% don't want it, you make a whole lot of people unhappy.
But requiring any more than 50% is even worse, because then you end up with an overwhelming majority who agrees, and you decide that the smaller minority takes the power.

There is no system that can work correctly by the letter. It will always be nuanced, there will always be context. If a poll fails at 70:30 Yes:No just because it didn't reach that 75% threshold, human common sense should be able to step in and say "we are making 70% of the voters unhappy, is the other 30% really worth that much more?"
I get moody during that time of the month. You know, with the full moon and all.

14-Jan-2017 16:43:50 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 16:54:42 by Ezo Red Fox

H4tuH00T2494

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PURES SHOULD HAVE A HUGE SAY IN WHAT UPDATES HAPPEN PURES ARE THE REASON F2P WORLDS ARE ACTIVE ON WEEKENDS!!!

Pure accounts make a large amount of the "oldschool" community 10000000% Support this


support for pures and iron men without a poll

14-Jan-2017 16:47:24

Avid Sparx

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Ezo Red Fox said :
Ernie Loco said :
TL;DR
the current polling system works fine. Don't change it.


26% of voters can dictate what the other 74% can get.

"works fine"

Gotcha.

dunforgiven said :
it was decided to have the polls at 75% for a reason. the majority should have control, not the minority that have 1000 alts.


And with a system that requires 75% Yes to pass, a minority of 26% very much does have full control. Anyone can tell you, that this should -not- be the case.

Yup, it DOES work fine, as it's a SUPERMAJORITY CONSENSUS that an update is worthy of the game.

Get it yet?
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14-Jan-2017 16:54:03

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