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Angel2D4

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Leamichele said :
Avid Sparx said :
F3ARMYM3D said :
Avid Sparx said :
OnTheHorizon said :
Can you please include a world for "Pure Accounts" 1-20 Defence? Anyone above the 20 def mark have to go into a different world. Pure clanning is slowly dying off because we can't fight one another without main accounts getting involved. This is really the only update, we pures need / want.
That's what the ClanWars portal is for, isn't it? No it's not lol He means a world with only pure accounts no mains or as such just pures :P
And they do what there....fight?

Which is what you do...at clan wars?

Seriously....solution already EXISTS, USE IT... O_o

No offense but i can tell you never clanned before atleast not pure clanned. Clan war fights happen daily already and so do wilderness fights. Both are completely different. Calling wise and warring wise. The big issue is that theres so many mains on pure trips now it's becoming a joke. It's the only update pure clanning wants and it's a 1-39 defence world. Doesn't even have to be a full world. Just the wilderness. So pure clans can fight fairly against each other instead of having all these main clans backing them up. It's really a HUGE issue currently. Toxic pure clans use it for an advantage against honorable clans that don't use them.

Well there are those of us who want a world that doesn't get ANY of the updates, so what made this 'discussion' into all about what pures (or pure clans) want?

Hate to burst your bubble (no, not really) but this discussion is supposed to be about the polling system.. not about what any specific group wants.. and if what you're wanting (you or your clan or any other pure and his clan) is a world that locks out 'mains' then mains most certainly should have a right to vote in that poll as it directly impacts them. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

15-Jan-2017 05:45:19

Set ich

Set ich

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How about no updates that are not QoL, no polling system needed just customer service. Could even cut a few jobs in the process further lessening the need for updates to draw new players to the OLD School Community.

#MakeOSRSGreat

15-Jan-2017 06:32:19

Lucy HFilia

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Even over the polling system, the community is in an uproar.

To be honest, I don't think the voting threshold is a problem (even though plenty of polls I personally wanted did not pass; I identify as a skiller-quester).

I think a huge problem we're having is a lot of our community disagrees with each other, and when something fails for them, they take it out on the other diverse groups. That way of thinking isn't good for us as a whole. I'd really like it if we can stop that sort of thinking so the game can grow like many of us want it to, but in different ways (pvm, pvp, skills, etc).

The next real problem I see is that not everyone is sure how an update will actually impact the game, financially, pvming, or pvping. Once the content enters in game, we often see a lot of balancing or other types of changes being made, and people feeling they received something different than what they voted on.

One of the best changes, then, would be to make each polling question as specific as possible. Say, something that is new-content based is its own poll, something balancing based is its own poll, etc. so we can add more information to the polls without them being overwhelming (50 questions with paragraphs for each question is something we definitely would want to avoid). In other words, concise polls that are informative and give an idea of how the content would affect us financially, pvming-wise, and pvping-wise.

I know currently we link the polls to the developer blog. I think you should actually link it to a post that has all of the most up-to-date information so if people want more information, they have a concise thing to read. (I know reading the content being offered then sifting through people's opinions can be troublesome at times when there's a lot of posts).

Lastly, we do have the skip function already. If different diverse groups really feel a poll doesn't affect them, just use the skip button. It's easy. Let's make this a great community.

15-Jan-2017 08:00:06

Librarian 42

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I haven't been on here for ages and I come back to this :) (not playing of course stopped that a while ago, just looking at what new ideas Jagex is giving us)

I do believe lots of us saw this coming all those years ago. I was on the very first hour the OS game started, complaining then that Jagex had broken the very first poll they had done.

Lots of players back then said it wouldn't come to EOC and Microtransactions. I think those players would be surprised by this Dev Blog. It would be interesting if we could see numbers for how many people are actually arguing here (no Alts), just individual people and what they believe in. I think most of those wanting the changes are newer (not those who played the first 6 months). I would be happy to be proven wrong but there's no way of knowing

This is one of the issues we warned about, the more you update the game, the newer players you attract, the more they want changes. At some point the change you quit over will appear, maybe even Muad is seeing this now (no arguments Muad, it's just an observation)

For background the Leprechaun noting update was my quitting point, I've been on since sporadically but only to help my kids play, even they have stopped now.

For Angel, I'd vote yes to this for one reason. I believe this may be the one thing that explodes the game apart. It is the one chance to get what they originally offered all those years ago. If enough people quit etc, then they may finally be open to offering the game in other formats as well. If other major Mmporgs can do it they can too.

Angel2D4 said :


If ANY change should be made it should be to REMOVE ALL POLLS ENTIRELY. It's what we got the level of votes for in the first place.

REMOVE ALL POLLS because we never got the votes required to have them in the first place (and while you're at it, don't add ANY more content, because we didn't get the votes for that either!).

And yes a Bone is a Bone is a Bone thinks Jagex should honour the results of the original Old School Poll

15-Jan-2017 14:05:21

Librarian 42

Librarian 42

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And 2 quotes here which I think underline the main issue with the DEV team (constantly re-polling till they get what they want is a given)


Lucy HFilia said :


The next real problem I see is that not everyone is sure how an update will actually impact the game, financially, pvming, or pvping. Once the content enters in game, we often see a lot of balancing or other types of changes being made, and people feeling they received something different than what they voted on.



Avid Sparx said :

Oh hun, if they were BALANCED, I'd be fine with them. THAT'S the issue though, our devs have proven far too often they're unable to balance anything.

thinks Jagex should honour the results of the original Old School Poll

15-Jan-2017 14:10:53

Librarian 42

Librarian 42

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Zinchenko said :
I always thought 75% was pretty high.... I'm all for lowering it to 70%.

If we do lower it to 70% can we repoll everything that was between the 70-74%?

Including Sailing?

Pls.

Fast forward a year and it will be I always thought 70% was too high can we lower it too 65%

If they are removing the 'super majority' as it's been called they may as well just lower it to 50% +1.

Despite what people think of the term 'slippery slope' Lowering it will show the Devs are willing to compromise on it and the clamour will be constant. thinks Jagex should honour the results of the original Old School Poll

15-Jan-2017 15:42:08

Librarian 42

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One more point, it was always clear from the 'removal' of GWD from the do not discuss list that eventually most things would be offered.

As we have seen the introduction of newer players has seen the introduction in game of items that previously got you a ban just for talking about (yes I got a ban for talking about the G.E.)

The poll requirement though was one thing that I thought would be sacrosanct. They might be willing to consider putting anything into the game but the poll pass rate would always be there.

The introduction though of the G.E., Bonds, Dragon Claws and now the 'talk' of lowering thresholds shows just how open to change the devs have been.

Another reason for backing the introduction of a 50% +1 ruling on polls

Oh and not for one moment do I actually believe any of the devs care about what debate happens on these forums, the lack of interaction apart from the devblog posts. The laughable 'forum engagement' from the designated mod say lots about where they want the game to be played out thinks Jagex should honour the results of the original Old School Poll

15-Jan-2017 15:49:41

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