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UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :

Literally already told you the segment where they talked about Apex Legends, I didn't ask you to watch the whole 3.5h press conference/presentation. Your same old nonsense tactic of warping my words will not fool anybody, my original comment that made you ask for video/quote was on Apex Legends, not Anthem.

You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 had a poor launch, extremely buggy game (FO 76 anyways), false promises (Cataclysm event for Anthem turned out to be extremely underwhelming, nothing like their E3 showcase; Todd will forever be meme'd for 16x details), lack of content, egregious MTX (oh yea, did I mention FO 76 has non-cosmetic MTX? The unbeatables outfit give stat bonus, so there goes your "
You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 did not bring in enough money from just cosmetics so they failed...
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15-Jun-2019 12:56:53

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Literally already told you the segment where they talked about Apex Legends, I didn't ask you to watch the whole 3.5h press conference/presentation. Your same old nonsense tactic of warping my words will not fool anybody, my original comment that made you ask for video/quote was on Apex Legends, not Anthem.

You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 had a poor launch, extremely buggy game (FO 76 anyways), false promises (Cataclysm event for Anthem turned out to be extremely underwhelming, nothing like their E3 showcase; Todd will forever be meme'd for 16x details), lack of content, egregious MTX (oh yea, did I mention FO 76 has non-cosmetic MTX? The unbeatables outfit give stat bonus, so there goes your "
You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 did not bring in enough money from just cosmetics so they failed...
&quot ;) . Not to mention that FO 76 also technically violated EU law by artificially pumping up the price of an item to then put it on sale under the guise that its discounted but actually you are paying for it at its original price.

In other words, you still can't show what and when did the video say whatever you said. You quoted nothing and can't even show a website that quoted a thing. Thanks for your nonsense. :D :D :D

You also can't deny the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 had only cosmetics MTX. Players did not like pure cosmetics, that's why they did poorly and eventually Fallout 76 have to add stats to their cosmetics and sell buffs. Thank you for you bump and let Jagex take note from that lesson. :D :D :D

15-Jun-2019 16:39:22

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Whooey, now that the 2018 financial statements are out, we can see undeniable evidence of Treasure Hunter suffering a roughly 10% decline in income from 2017 to 2018!

TH income in:
2017 - approx. 22,421,200£
2018 - approx. 20,292,600£
Total decline - approx. 2,128,600£

Sources (2017 & 2018 statements respectively):
1. http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF
2. http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2019/2019-6/2019-06-15/5437523.PDF

And what's more, despite their lazy moneymaking scheme earning them less income in 2018, Jagex's profits after taxes increased by a whopping ~1.5 million £! (Source: the latest statement on Jagex at Companies House.) Thus further confirming that having TH because "it's needed for the game to survive" is a bullcrap excuse.

On the other hand, subscription income kept growing thanks to OSRS, which once again goes to show that if you care about the long term health and profitability of the game, it's much better to focus on selling membership rather than trying to milk the game with a predatory cash grab machine. I hope you'll finally wake up and realize it too, Jagex! > )
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15-Jun-2019 23:57:16

Dilbert2001
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Sharp-shin said :
Whooey, now that the 2018 financial statements are out, we can see undeniable evidence of Treasure Hunter suffering a roughly 10% decline in income from 2017 to 2018!

TH income in:
2017 - approx. 22,421,200£
2018 - approx. 20,292,600£
Total decline - approx. 2,128,600£

Sources (2017 & 2018 statements respectively):
1. http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF
2. http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2019/2019-6/2019-06-15/5437523.PDF

And what's more, despite their lazy moneymaking scheme earning them less income in 2018, Jagex's profits after taxes increased by a whopping ~1.5 million £! (Source: the latest statement on Jagex at Companies House.) Thus further confirming that having TH because "it's needed for the game to survive" is a bullcrap excuse.

On the other hand, subscription income kept growing thanks to OSRS, which once again goes to show that if you care about the long term health and profitability of the game, it's much better to focus on selling membership rather than trying to milk the game with a predatory cash grab machine. I hope you'll finally wake up and realize it too, Jagex! > )


Meanwhile Runecoins sales increased by almost the same amount TH lost because TH items like Elite Skilling Outfits and cosmetics have been made available to other MTX sources/events. In addition, Runepass, Portable Vic and the coming-soon bonus-xp-buff for Runecoins also helps to shift the revenue to Runecoins.

That's Jagex tried to do to balance out their MTX tools. Nothing surprising and TH continues to be the most profitable MTX Jagex has, especially now they apparently report vast part of bond revenue as subscription.

Subscription revenue only grows slightly because of OSRS mobile. This is obvious if we take out the £19 mil "loss" of revenue from bond. ;)

16-Jun-2019 00:45:46

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :

Timestamp: 1:22:30

C'mon man, is it so hard to watch a few minutes of the video to find out where the segment is? Can't you at least put in a little bit of effort? And I'd appreciate it if you stopped accusing me of various things in this forums section such as making false claims and not being able to back up my statements.

And I've given examples of games with no MTX doing far better than games with cosmetics, but you oh so conveniently ignored those.
UrekMazino said :
Oh yea, not to mention games like God of War (2018), having no MTX, broke sales records, despite being limited to PS4 only. But keep blaming the failure of Anthem and Fallout76 for the lack of lootboxes.
Want more recent example? Look no further than Spiderman for PS4. Oh yea, what about Destiny 2? After Bungie's departure from Activision, they've been slowly reverting changes that are less consumer friendly forced on by Activision and their subscriber/active player count is going back up again.

Also conveniently didn't address the video showcasing the fact that MTX is in no way essential to the survival of a game studio. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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21-Jun-2019 14:50:03

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Timestamp: 1:22:30

C'mon man, is it so hard to watch a few minutes of the video to find out where the segment is? Can't you at least put in a little bit of effort? And I'd appreciate it if you stopped accusing me of various things in this forums section such as making false claims and not being able to back up my statements.

And I've given examples of games with no MTX doing far better than games with cosmetics, but you oh so conveniently ignored those.
UrekMazino said :
Oh yea, not to mention games like God of War (2018), having no MTX, broke sales records, despite being limited to PS4 only. But keep blaming the failure of Anthem and Fallout76 for the lack of lootboxes.
Want more recent example? Look no further than Spiderman for PS4. Oh yea, what about Destiny 2? After Bungie's departure from Activision, they've been slowly reverting changes that are less consumer friendly forced on by Activision and their subscriber/active player count is going back up again.

Also conveniently didn't address the video showcasing the fact that MTX is in no way essential to the survival of a game studio.

Your video at 1:22:30 talked about Season Pass, not loot boxes. Please watch it again carefully. :D

Again, cosmetics don't sell and single player games usually don't have much MTX because of lack of pay-to-win. Keep going in circle won't help you at all...

And in fact, Destiny 2 is becoming free-to-play in 3 months. It never have a subscription anyway. And the free-to-play conversion only means they are getting solely rely on MTX. :D :D :D

21-Jun-2019 18:45:20

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This isn't exactly about Treasure Hunter, but given that Treasure Hunter is a lootbox-like system, it's relevant to this: it's funny how Jagex blatantly lied about Treasure Hunter when it spoke to the UK parliament a while back, in order to try and cover their shady practices, but recently EA did a similar thing by trying to cover their lootboxes by renaming them into "surprise mechanics". Gonna be interesting to see if Jagex is going to pull off similar lies with Treasure Hunter, but here's hoping they'll realize to just remove Treasure Hunter while it'd still give them good PR, instead of waiting until regulations are applied and they'll be forced to.
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23-Jun-2019 19:58:14

Dilbert2001
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Jagex said all along TH is absolutely not gambling to the UK Parliament because they don't allow their pixels to be cashed out.

Why do Jagex need to say another word? Nobody is going to ask them a thing they don't need to. UK Parliament.tv is just like the Oprah Winfrey shows. In fact, Oprah only shows up once a weekday but the UK Parliement.tv talk shows run more than one episode per day quite often.

For instance, they run far far more talk shows on online trolling, bullying, harassment than entertainment (note: games are part of entertainment) but they never try to put up regulations against online trolling... something like this is a very common topic for their DMCS talk shows even from way way back like 10 years ago:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/inquiries/parliament-2010/online-safety1/

So as you see the cyberspace is full of trolls without getting regulated. Now, that's the beauty of natural selection. Even if the gov doesn't hammer the trolls, natural selection calls for the social media to act for their own well beings. We see the formation of the Fair Play Alliance. We see the likes of Reddits removing trolling posts aiming to disrupt their users' business and Twitch even suing John and Jane Does 1 - 100 for misusing their platforms and infringing their IP. Praise to the Lord, days of the trolls are numbered. :D :D :D

Likewise, the UK gov will have talk shows but no actions on MTX in games. It is all up to the companies themselves to find the best ways to make the most money. They will put up more loot boxes if they think they make more money out of them, or they will invent even more derivatives with surprise mechanisms if they sell. It is about natural selection by the Invisible Hand. The real UK government that makes laws don't even have a say to where the Invisible Hand moves, let alone the UK government.tv talk show hosts. :D

23-Jun-2019 20:27:08

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :
Your video at 1:22:30 talked about Season Pass, not loot boxes. Please watch it again carefully. :D

Again, cosmetics don't sell and single player games usually don't have much MTX because of lack of pay-to-win. Keep going in circle won't help you at all...

And in fact, Destiny 2 is becoming free-to-play in 3 months. It never have a subscription anyway. And the free-to-play conversion only means they are getting solely rely on MTX. :D :D :D
Soooo timestamp wasn't enough? You want me to quote them as well? Do you also need to be spoon feed you your porridge? Change your diapers for you?

"So we've been listening to the community a lot, season one didn't quite launch as well as we were hoping. The content was fairly underwhelming for players, so we've been taking that in, we've been getting all sorts of data from people buying skins to what they equip on their characters or weapons."


They're talking not only about season pass but also the launch of the game.

As for Destiny 2, I don't think you understand my point. Bungie are making changes to make the game more consumer friendly, and one of the things is reducing P2W MTX. I'm not complaining about cosmetics. Actually, you know what? You just backed my argument with your statement showing that Destiny 2 is doing just fine after reducing P2W MTX and relying more on cosmetics, thanks! °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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