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Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
You've misunderstood my point, I never said 1 game in 999,999 needs to be restricted. Do read over again, or do you need me to explain to you like a 5 year old?


FIFA is still just one game out of the over 9000 games with loot boxes in Belgium.

Whatever point you trying to make, it won't affect the other 9000 games at all. :D :D :D

30-Jan-2019 01:32:21

UrekMazino
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You still don't get it? I'm saying attempts at passing a new law/bill to restrict loot boxes and online gamling, not specific a specific game. How hard is plain English to understand?

As long as 1 successful bill is passed, all games with loot boxes will be affected. Also, FIFA isn't the only game affected, EA were the only ones who did not take the steps remove loot boxes until now, Blizzard, 2k, and Valve had already done so on their own accord earlier. So try again with the fake news.
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30-Jan-2019 13:46:51 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2019 14:00:45 by UrekMazino

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Dilbert2001 said :
Perhaps it catches the attention of some silly Belgium moron's attention that now they will have absolutely no argument against EA whatsoever:

Dilbert2001 said :
However, with famous internet personalities promoting real life loot boxes with real life prizes over real life social media but the same Belgium morn doesn't say a word, that moron simply shot his own feet. He has no argument whatsoever against EA anymore.

Dilbert2001 said :
I bet EA would raise their hands and feet to support the Belgium minster of whachamacallit to arrest those Mystery Brand real world gambling boxes too. :D :D :D

Dilbert2001 said :
So there is the petty lowest common denominator Belgium, but so what? They have a few words on EA's loot boxes but evidently they have done nothing in the real world to bring EA to court. That's why EA is still pushing forward with their loot boxes. Besides, the fact that Belgium did not join the EU coalition against the truly real world gambling websites exposed their cover. Unlike the real world anti-gambling countries, they are not there to tackle real world gambling problems.

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Dilbert2001 said :
Let me also bring you the news that the EA is not going to sell FIFA Ultimate Game Packs in Belgium starting today. However, that's just FIFA as it is the only game called out by the Belgium minister.

I know that you're a mega troll and all that, but I don't understand how you can eat your own words like that and then somehow continue to retaliate with even more garbage. Your artform is truly next level.
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30-Jan-2019 13:54:33

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I mean, you've basically proven my point already that your statement saying nothing has been done or will ever be done is indeed wrong:
Dilbert2001 said :
There have been voices of basically just 1 minister from Belgium but absolutely no legal actions taken. There have been just some requests from Netherlands to 4 games half a year ago, but nothing since and they are apparently happy now. Nothing elsewhere in the World.


You've somehow managed to do my job for me.

So I'm not sure what you're still trying to get at.
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30-Jan-2019 13:58:49 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2019 13:59:23 by UrekMazino

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
You still don't get it? I'm saying attempts at passing a new law/bill to restrict loot boxes and online gamling, not specific a specific game. How hard is plain English to understand?

As long as 1 successful bill is passed, all games with loot boxes will be affected. Also, FIFA isn't the only game affected, EA were the only ones who did not take the steps remove loot boxes until now, Blizzard, 2k, and Valve had already done so on their own accord earlier. So try again with the fake news.


What "bill" is/was that? Belgium did not even attempt to add whatevcer new Bill you claimed.

Bills are universally applicable to all the entities in Belgium, if they even exist. Belgium just called out a few games, not even all the games made by their very own developers. They made no new bills.

Obviously they are handling Hearthstone differently from Overwatch, SWTOR and all the other EA Sports games differently from FIFA, and all the other Steam games with loot boxes differently from DOTA2 and CS:GO.

They have been using the same old existing LAW, not new "bills" that don't even exist, let alone being successful universally across every entity in Belgium. Just that they have specific "problem" with a couple of games don't mean all the other games have the same problem. Just that they think a couple of Belgium cars exceeded their speeding limit doesn't mean all the residents in Belgium are murderers.

Thank you very much for bringing up my posts. They obviously only indicate the pathetic failure of that lonely Belgium minister who are even ignored by the EU coalition. :D :D :D

Meanwhile, 9000 new games with loot boxes are being added and run in Belgium. Not only that, real people are advertising real world lootboxes under the nose of that Belgium minster. So what? What can he do? :D :D :D

30-Jan-2019 15:41:17

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Once again, you're showing that you have nothing of value to bring by attempting to change the topic. I'm not focusing on laws, laws are just one of many ways to force game devs to change their monetisation methods. There are others as well, as mentioned earlier, Epic Games are changing even though there are no laws in place. CD Projeckt Red have a massively successful game/franchise and yet they choose to not squeeze players' wallets due to understanding the incentive of having good will amongst the players.

You can keep on harping how there's no new law in place,
yet
. But I've already proven my point that your claim that nothing has happened is unsubstantiated and outright false. You ignore large portions of my responses and only focus on certain things that may help strengthen your arguments against points that I'm not trying to make/focus on just shows how weak your position is.

Dilbert2001 said :
Obviously they are handling Hearthstone differently from Overwatch, SWTOR and all the other EA Sports games differently from FIFA, and all the other Steam games with loot boxes differently from DOTA2 and CS:GO.

Remember when you said nothing has/will happen to any games? How quick of you to move the goal post to: "Aside from these affected games, nothing has happened!".
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30-Jan-2019 23:35:48

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This thread is about laws and TH, definitely not about monetisation and how the other companies do whatever even without laws. You are pushing this thread way too far and way too many times already.

There is no new laws even proposed by Belgium despite they barked about it with the entire EU in 2017. That's the fact.

31-Jan-2019 00:24:00

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How is that pushing too far? Its part of the larger topic and certainly related. If you think its off-topic, then go ahead and report it to forum help.

I initially responded to you to point out an error in your statement, and you chose to respond back, that's why our own discussion is more specific than OP's thread. You were never obligated to respond to me, but when you did, I expected you to address the specific problem I pointed out, instead of trying to weasel your way out of it.
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01-Feb-2019 09:15:55

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I only told you this thread is about government regulations and no government regulations is against MTX other than specific kinds of "loot boxes". Of course I am not going to answer your questions "of the larger topic" unless you can show how other forms of MTX has anything to do with government regulations.

For your questions "of the larger topic", there is already a thread about TH and MTX not specific to government regulations just a few threads down from this one:

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=bnTAmuka48g/sl=0/forums.ws?366,367,6,65940719

If you want to discuss your "larger topic" just go over there and we can have a discussion with the larger groups of forum users on the non government regulation TH or MTX issues.

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