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2006

Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :
So a straight to the point question to those who think TH is gambling, or otherwise illegal:
Because even the game itself defines it as gambling, as stated with barbarian assault and soul wars example, not illegal yet but hopefully in near future.

What i fail to understand is your reasoning to not turn th into adults only content, im not sure if you are aware how big problem lootboxes actually are among children. I'd highly suggest you to visit your nearest child aid center, get to know the issue, there is kids all the way from age 7 having problems from lootboxes on their parents expense.

What is your argument, excuse, what ever to not change it to adults only, what is the big deal with that?

Some Child Aid/Care Centers and schools run Raffles to raise funds in many countries. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.

Many schools also use a raffle system to let their little kid students to exchange gifts too. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.

06-Oct-2018 23:34:45

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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Dilbert2001 said :

Some Child Aid/Care Centers and schools run Raffles to raise funds in many countries. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.

Many schools also use a raffle system to let their little kid students to exchange gifts too. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.
You said it, a raffle to raise funds, the odds of winning on that arent that great and ive never heard of a case where someone would develop a gambling problem because it doesnt 'spin a wheel' everytime you buy a ticket. Id still like to get an answer to the question why you are so against turning th to adult only content? how does that harm you?

Draco Burnz said :
I Lack Heart said :

How is it gambling when you always win something?
Just because it uses a loophole filling the game with undesirable junk doesnt mean its not gambling, thats why you do it so you have to spend unknown amounts of money just to get what you want.

ps. why is barbarian assault and soul wars points gambling called gambling when you always win something?

07-Oct-2018 08:02:17 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2018 08:03:35 by I Lack Heart

Aug

2023

UrekMazino

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Tren said :
@ Dilbert2001 & UrekMazino - Your passion for the debate is apparent, and the ability of both of you to keep your posts civil is very much appreciated.

However, the arguments are beginning to go in circles, recent posts are getting a bit heated and personal, and your posts are monopolizing the thread. It might be a good idea for you both to take a step back for a bit, and give some others a chance to have their say on the topic, so that it doesn't become 'the Dilbert & Urek show'.

The recent posts making personal attacks on each other have been removed.

Thanks

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07-Oct-2018 08:31:25

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Some Child Aid/Care Centers and schools run Raffles to raise funds in many countries. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.

Many schools also use a raffle system to let their little kid students to exchange gifts too. So are they gambling? No. Their governments said games of chance are not gambling just because they are games of chance.
You said it, a raffle to raise funds, the odds of winning on that arent that great and ive never heard of a case where someone would develop a gambling problem because it doesnt 'spin a wheel' everytime you buy a ticket. Id still like to get an answer to the question why you are so against turning th to adult only content? how does that harm you?

I already answered it 9000 times. The world governments make, enforce and adjudicate laws, not you and me.

When the world governements all say TH is not an adult only content, we have to abide to the law. Abiding to the

LAWS

won't harm me, defying the

LAWS

will certainly harm all of us.

07-Oct-2018 15:24:14

FiFi LaFeles

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Forgive my laziness if it's already been laid out, but, how would Jagex go about ensuring that TH is accessed by adults only?

Historically, kids under 13 in this game claimed to be over 13 so as not to attract the speech restrictions so what is there to effectively stop minors from accessing any content that is deemed to be Adult Only?

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07-Oct-2018 15:44:41 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2018 15:54:22 by FiFi LaFeles

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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FiFi LaFeles said :
Forgive my laziness if it's already been laid out, but, how would Jagex go about ensuring that TH is accessed by adults only?

Historically, kids under 13 in this game claimed to be over 13 so as not to attract the speech restrictions so what is there to effectively stop minors from accessing any content that is deemed to be Adult Only?

It is the responsibility of the parents, not the entertainment providers.

07-Oct-2018 16:27:27

FiFi LaFeles

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That's not answering the question I asked.

Posts by I Lack Heart seem to be implying that s/he wants Jagex to make TH into an Adults Only piece of content, inaccessible by minors.

I was querying how that might be achieved as I'm fairly sure that it is not possible.

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07-Oct-2018 16:54:10

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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FiFi LaFeles said :
That's not answering the question I asked.

Posts by I Lack Heart seem to be implying that s/he wants Jagex to make TH into an Adults Only piece of content, inaccessible by minors.

I was querying how that might be achieved as I'm fairly sure that it is not possible.

Yes, I understand your question is for OP about how Jagex can turn TH into Adults Only piece of content.

However, I think my response to you actually answered your question, and it is such parental controls in consoles, Windows and such already exist for the parents. They can decide what game is not suitable for their children already. Microsoft, console makers and such do this to comply to regular commerce laws pertaining to almost every internet site such as eBay, Amazon, Youtube, etc but not just video games and certainly not just a TH or loot box in any of such games.

So this becomes the responsibility of the parents if they choose to block off whatever games/entertainment or even payment options. The responsibility is not on the entertainment providers.

If TH was "Adult Only" which it clearly, certainly, completely, absolutely 100% is not, then all Jagex needed to do was to indicate their game(s) contain "Adult Only" in-game purchase but nothing else. This would also make themselves in compliant to PEGI and ESRB standards too.

07-Oct-2018 17:01:42 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2018 17:25:39 by Dilbert2001

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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FiFi LaFeles said :
Forgive my laziness if it's already been laid out, but, how would Jagex go about ensuring that TH is accessed by adults only?

Historically, kids under 13 in this game claimed to be over 13 so as not to attract the speech restrictions so what is there to effectively stop minors from accessing any content that is deemed to be Adult Only?
Quite simple, remove the pay by phone option and change back to system where you have to confirm your purchase via net bank. There is minors that do own netbank but you cannot fake your age with it, if its an adult only purchase the confirmation for payment will not go through.

Also simply remove keys from bonds.

07-Oct-2018 18:06:43

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
Forgive my laziness if it's already been laid out, but, how would Jagex go about ensuring that TH is accessed by adults only?

Historically, kids under 13 in this game claimed to be over 13 so as not to attract the speech restrictions so what is there to effectively stop minors from accessing any content that is deemed to be Adult Only?
Quite simple, remove the pay by phone option and change back to system where you have to confirm your purchase via net bank. There is minors that do own netbank but you cannot fake your age with it, if its an adult only purchase the confirmation for payment will not go through.

Also simply remove keys from bonds.

Absolutely no need as I mentioned.

GTA V and CoD: WWII are rated 18+ in many countries. Nothing extra needed to be done by the game developers whatsoever because laws don't require them.

07-Oct-2018 18:16:55

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