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04-Oct-2018 18:26:39
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So what kinds of video game related activities are considered illegal gambling to the UK government?
Well, seeing is believing. What the UK Governments actually took actions on were something like these the last few years:
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/youtubers-charged-with-video-game-gambling-in-the-uk
That's right. Unlike the lone Belgium minister of Justice, the UK Governments certainly did what they claimed would be doing consistently, and that is to prosecute illegal gamblers who are tied to 3rd party gambling sites even, not loot boxes or anything else have to do there.
And they did not go after the game developers. They went the game players since they were the actual gamblers, not the video game developers.
Well, seeing is believing. What the UK Governments actually took actions on were something like these the last few years:
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/youtubers-charged-with-video-game-gambling-in-the-uk
That's right. Unlike the lone Belgium minister of Justice, the UK Governments certainly did what they claimed would be doing consistently, and that is to prosecute illegal gamblers who are tied to 3rd party gambling sites even, not loot boxes or anything else have to do there.
And they did not go after the game developers. They went the game players since they were the actual gamblers, not the video game developers.
04-Oct-2018 18:52:15 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2018 19:08:02 by Dilbert2001
Let's also see what UK Gambling Laws, and their real world actions against real world video game gambling are like...
Last time we have learned the UK governments ganged up against "illegal gambling" in FIFA... and they brought action... but wait... They did not prosecute EA, they arrested 2 players for facilitating illegal gambling through 3rd party sites, and to minors too.
So, what is the verdict?
Well... here is is:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/youtubers-charged-promoting-gambling
The ones involved in the illegal gambling was fined £265,000... but wait... EA is absolutely fine, not fined, FIFA is not illegal gambling... the players who hocked up with 3rd party gambling sties are...
Now we should know what the World Government are truly attacking... no wonder all the UK and White House petitions we saw last year have disappeared... at least some players still have brains.
Last time we have learned the UK governments ganged up against "illegal gambling" in FIFA... and they brought action... but wait... They did not prosecute EA, they arrested 2 players for facilitating illegal gambling through 3rd party sites, and to minors too.
So, what is the verdict?
Well... here is is:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/youtubers-charged-promoting-gambling
The ones involved in the illegal gambling was fined £265,000... but wait... EA is absolutely fine, not fined, FIFA is not illegal gambling... the players who hocked up with 3rd party gambling sties are...
Now we should know what the World Government are truly attacking... no wonder all the UK and White House petitions we saw last year have disappeared... at least some players still have brains.
05-Oct-2018 16:16:28
Now, let's look at things Jagex should not do so Runescape will never be gambling according to the UK Law.
It is really obvious. They should never implement real money player trading. They should never allow players to convert any in game items/currencies into real money, and it means no RWT. They should also keep warning players about gambling items/currencies offsite are not only violation of Jagex EULA but also illegal in real life.
So what about TH? Nothing they need to do. It is perfectly safe now in any of their games, now or future. That's why no governments can even bother them.
It is really obvious. They should never implement real money player trading. They should never allow players to convert any in game items/currencies into real money, and it means no RWT. They should also keep warning players about gambling items/currencies offsite are not only violation of Jagex EULA but also illegal in real life.
So what about TH? Nothing they need to do. It is perfectly safe now in any of their games, now or future. That's why no governments can even bother them.
06-Oct-2018 03:05:56
@ Dilbert2001 & UrekMazino - Your passion for the debate is apparent, and the ability of both of you to keep your posts civil is very much appreciated.
However, the arguments are beginning to go in circles, recent posts are getting a bit heated and personal, and your posts are monopolizing the thread. It might be a good idea for you both to take a step back for a bit, and give some others a chance to have their say on the topic, so that it doesn't become 'the Dilbert & Urek show'.
The recent posts making personal attacks on each other have been removed.
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However, the arguments are beginning to go in circles, recent posts are getting a bit heated and personal, and your posts are monopolizing the thread. It might be a good idea for you both to take a step back for a bit, and give some others a chance to have their say on the topic, so that it doesn't become 'the Dilbert & Urek show'.
The recent posts making personal attacks on each other have been removed.
Thanks
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06-Oct-2018 05:20:04
So a straight to the point question to those who think TH is gambling, or otherwise illegal:
What country/countries said that? What laws and specific section(s) of such laws said so? What previous cases have they prosecuted, and what are the verdicts?
To accuse an entity of illegal activity, one must have provide evidences too. Or else, it is always business as usual for that entity.
What country/countries said that? What laws and specific section(s) of such laws said so? What previous cases have they prosecuted, and what are the verdicts?
To accuse an entity of illegal activity, one must have provide evidences too. Or else, it is always business as usual for that entity.
06-Oct-2018 19:23:42
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