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Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Qwis7 said :

Its just another way to get more taxes, because gambling does have a increased tax fee.

Although this is just a conspiracy theory, it actually makes sense if a country's government substitutes illegal 3rd party gambling with legal "gambling" simulations in legitimate online games.

Underground gambling is of course illegal and the criminals don't pay taxes at all. However, loot boxes and other similar "gambling" simulations are not just legal but their operators all pay taxes. That's a win-win situation between game studios and the governments.

From the perspectives of parents, the majority of them don't even care about their kids playing adult games. This can easily be shown from how much the R-rated (or not for players under 18) GTA V is making and how acclaimed this 3rd overall grossing console game in the world is.

Besides, the parents who really have a problem with gambling possibly will rather see their kids opening loot boxes in FIFA, Overwatch, Runescape etc, than hanging out with scary people in a real world underground illegal gambling site. And the vast majority of kids just play free in online games too. It won't even cost their parents money.

27-Sep-2018 19:16:53 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2018 19:53:21 by Dilbert2001

Aug

2023

UrekMazino

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Dilbert2001 said :

No it doesn't make sense, if it gets categorised as gambling, the game wouldn't be sold to any minors under 18. Yea, I think no game company wants to significantly reduce their sales for some small extra profit. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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27-Sep-2018 23:29:23

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :

No it doesn't make sense, if it gets categorised as gambling, the game wouldn't be sold to any minors under 18. Yea, I think no game company wants to significantly reduce their sales for some small extra profit.

Of course no game company wants to significantly reduce their sales for some small extra profit, that's why THE WORLD is doing loot boxes as usual.

TH is not gambling. Nobody says it is gambling, let alone illegal gambling. Meanwhile, gambling virtual items of a video game such as a Twisted Bow or a Blood Dye exclusively not from TH via a 3rd party site or real money player trading/RWT is definitely gambling. That's the fact.

28-Sep-2018 00:37:00

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2023

UrekMazino

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Dilbert2001 said :
Of course no game company wants to significantly reduce their sales for some small extra profit, that's why THE WORLD is doing loot boxes as usual.

TH is not gambling. Nobody says it is gambling, let alone illegal gambling. Meanwhile, gambling virtual items of a video game such as a Twisted Bow or a Blood Dye exclusively not from TH via a 3rd party site or real money player trading/RWT is definitely gambling. That's the fact.
Not gambling yet.

The examples you gave can only be categorised as gambling if there's some sort of randomness and upfront cost in it. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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28-Sep-2018 07:41:28

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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Dilbert2001 said :
TH is not gambling. Nobody says it is gambling, let alone illegal gambling.
So are you implying there is not luck involved after you purchase keys and open the chests, that lets say 10 keys will yield the rare reward you are going after and after receiving it you wont feel anything?

TH is just pure game of skill and cant be in any way compared to something like opening a gun case in counter strike.

28-Sep-2018 11:42:36

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Of course no game company wants to significantly reduce their sales for some small extra profit, that's why THE WORLD is doing loot boxes as usual.

TH is not gambling. Nobody says it is gambling, let alone illegal gambling. Meanwhile, gambling virtual items of a video game such as a Twisted Bow or a Blood Dye exclusively not from TH via a 3rd party site or real money player trading/RWT is definitely gambling. That's the fact.
Not gambling yet.

The examples you gave can only be categorised as gambling if there's some sort of randomness and upfront cost in it.

Randomness doesn't imply "gambling". Coin flipping is obviously not gambling in all sport events to say the least.

28-Sep-2018 14:49:37

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :
TH is not gambling. Nobody says it is gambling, let alone illegal gambling.
So are you implying there is not luck involved after you purchase keys and open the chests, that lets say 10 keys will yield the rare reward you are going after and after receiving it you wont feel anything?

TH is just pure game of skill and cant be in any way compared to something like opening a gun case in counter strike.

Again, games of chance is not always gambling, especially when nothing of real virtual leaves the system.

Even skills are involved in a game of chance with real money changing hand, e.g.. playing Poker or Black Jack for real money in a real casino, LAWS in almost every country still category such game illegal without proper registration/license.

There is no real money or anything of tangible value changing hand via TH. Same thing with Clue Scroll reward caskets too. Playing TH or Clue Scrolls are not gambling as long as Jagex doesn't allow anybody to trade the pixels they own for real money or anything of value in real life.

28-Sep-2018 14:57:57

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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Dilbert2001 said :
There is no real money or anything of tangible value changing hand via TH. Same thing with Clue Scroll reward caskets too. Playing TH or Clue Scrolls are not gambling as long as Jagex doesn't allow anybody to trade the pixels they own for real money or anything of value in real life.
Darn i didnt know you can buy keys to open clue scroll caskets and dont actually have to play the game.

i mean sure, opening a clue scroll casket can be very exciting but at least kids cant just spend money to do it but actually play the game and solve the puzzles.

quick question, when you have soul wars points or barbarian assault points, what can you do with them, what is the process called when you use the points to ****** your points for random stuff, now replace those points with th keys and tell me the difference and why does the definition suddenly change?

28-Sep-2018 17:22:13

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :
There is no real money or anything of tangible value changing hand via TH. Same thing with Clue Scroll reward caskets too. Playing TH or Clue Scrolls are not gambling as long as Jagex doesn't allow anybody to trade the pixels they own for real money or anything of value in real life.
Darn i didnt know you can buy keys to open clue scroll caskets and dont actually have to play the game.

i mean sure, opening a clue scroll casket can be very exciting but at least kids cant just spend money to do it but actually play the game and solve the puzzles.

quick question, when you have soul wars points or barbarian assault points, what can you do with them, what is the process called when you use the points to ****** your points for random stuff, now replace those points with th keys and tell me the difference and why does the definition suddenly change?

Kids don't need to pay to do Clue Scrolls but if they gamble the Blood Dye or Twisted Bow they get for playing free for real money or items offsite, then it is still gambling.

Still have no clue? Don't worry. The real world governments know and 16 of them are talking about what the real gambling is.

28-Sep-2018 17:40:54

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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Dilbert2001 said :

Kids don't need to pay to do Clue Scrolls but if they gamble the Blood Dye or Twisted Bow they get for playing free for real money or items offsite, then it is still gambling.

Still have no clue? Don't worry. The real world governments know and 16 of them are talking about what the real gambling is.

You didnt answer my question, you can gamble barbarian assault points for random stuff, replace those points with th keys, why does the definition change?

28-Sep-2018 18:19:39

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