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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Kids don't need to pay to do Clue Scrolls but if they gamble the Blood Dye or Twisted Bow they get for playing free for real money or items offsite, then it is still gambling.

Still have no clue? Don't worry. The real world governments know and 16 of them are talking about what the real gambling is.

You didnt answer my question, you can gamble barbarian assault points for random stuff, replace those points with th keys, why does the definition change?

Nothing according to the real world governments. As long as Jagex doesn't allow anything that come out of BA, Clue Scroll, Duel Arena or just about anything you get from playing their games to be turned into real money or tangible items, it is not illegal gambling.

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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Re-read what I wrote carefully please.

"Gambling", "wagering", "betting" don't mean ILLEGAL gambling. You hear all kinds of people saying these words everyday, including those in TV game shows like Jeopardy! but they are NOT actually doing something ILLEGAL.
So you agree that th is gambling

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this is legal "gambling" like flipping a coin to decide home field advantage in sports, and all the video game developers and most of their customers are happy with that that's why they are making so much money.

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but so what? The real world governments are not so idiotic. They know what are real life illegal gambling and they should take action on.

Enjoy your Gemstacks on TH this week.

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29-Sep-2018 18:47:20

UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Yes, they are trying to but not quite yet "redefining" laws to weed out the real money casino apps (e.g. Big Fish Cashino) pretending to be healthy for fun, recreational video games like Runescape.

They are also going to follow Australia's footsteps to provide the same "3rd party skin gambling is illegal but simulation games of chance in video games with obvious recreational values may actually keep your kids safe" guidance.
Probably only because no one is outraged by the casino apps. Parent's don't know better because they don't know about those apps, kids don't know better because they're kids, gamers (who are advocating for loot box laws) don't care because "mobile gaming lul".

Either way, the government isn't all knowing in regards to what gambling constitutes as your previous comment implied. And thus will be slow to take action, which is why we're only seeing any real progress now.

We are seeing more real progress from the Irish government today:

"Loot boxes don't fall under gambling legislation, says Irish government"

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-10-01-loot-boxes-fall-within-normal-consumer-law-not-gambling-legislation-says-irish-government

"However, it should be understood, that if a game offers in-game purchases - be they loot boxes, skins, etc. - which are promoted to gamers as increasing their chances of success, such purchases are essentially a commercial or e-commerce activity."

It is obviously the Irish government are in the group of 16 world governments to focus on 3rd party real world gambling sites, not any legitimate game developers' commerical or e-commerce activity.

TH is a legitimate commericial or e-commerce product, no reason and no legal basis to outcast it.

01-Oct-2018 16:00:13