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I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Playing rock-paper-scissor for candies is gambling. Playing Monopoly is gambling too. That's what "gambling" is called in countries with 18th Century Legislative system. However, modern day parents know best, they even "gamble" together with their 8 year old kids for fun.

Regulation is the job of the governments. When the world's governments say no need, then no need. Simple as that.
Playing rps for candies hardly triggers any dopamine and frankly never heard that kids do that in first place, second, monopoly is not gambling, you dont need to pay real money to get into the game do you? Nor is the rewards even something kids would desire.

Releasing limited edition shiny things better not miss out promotions how ever are predatory gambling designed to force kids or gambling addicts to make haste decision, spending more than they can afford because of some 'dont miss out' promotion.

And lastly thats exactly the thing, world governments have started to recognize that this is a serious problem.

I seriously hope you are just trolling or want to be moderator this badly.

In Australia, all these are "gambling" by definition of their Victorian laws but just not illegal gambling.

The World governments? Who and what have they done? And what are they really investigating?

Read the news carefully. They are not just investigation loot boxes alone. They are actually looking for real world crimes via real world trading with real world criminals. It does not take any loot boxes to be illegal when even a free player get some pixels in game and gamble it over an illegal site. That's the kind of ILLEGAL GAMBLING they are going after.

I wonder where all those laughingstocks who kept crying the same loot boxes bills, UK petitions, etc have gone? Politicians always try to look busy but nothing is done 99% of the time.

19-Sep-2018 22:45:54 - Last edited on 20-Sep-2018 00:15:47 by Dilbert2001

19-Sep-2018 23:32:56

20-Sep-2018 06:21:43

I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :

In Australia, all these are "gambling" by definition of their Victorian laws but just not illegal gambling.

The World governments? Who and what have they done? And what are they really investigating?

Read the news carefully. They are not just investigation loot boxes alone. They are actually looking for real world crimes via real world trading with real world criminals. It does not take any loot boxes to be illegal when even a free player get some pixels in game and gamble it over an illegal site. That's the kind of ILLEGAL GAMBLING they are going after.

I wonder where all those laughingstocks who kept crying the same loot boxes bills, UK petitions, etc have gone? Politic
Too tired to write you an

novel

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGJx_QwN4S8

Good thing you realized you are writing a

novel

, a

fiction

.

This is what the the governments are investigating:

"We are increasingly concerned with the risks being posed by the blurring of lines between gambling and other forms of digital entertainment such as video gaming," the statement reads. "Concerns in this area have manifested themselves in controversies relating to skin betting, loot boxes, social casino gaming and the use of gambling themed content within video games available to children."

Not just loot boxes, but anything that can be wagered offsite or in game are under investigation. And it certainly include staking a Scythe of Vitur against other's Abyssal Whip in Duel Arena, or in an third party website. Obviously, we know these items don't come from TH or other forms of loot boxes.

20-Sep-2018 16:45:29

Dilbert2001 said :

Good thing you realized you are writing a

novel

, a

fiction

.

This is what the the governments are investigating:

"We are increasingly concerned with the risks being posed by the blurring of lines between gambling and other forms of digital entertainment such as video gaming," the statement reads. "Concerns in this area have manifested themselves in controversies relating to skin betting, loot boxes, social casino gaming and the use of gambling themed content within video games available to children."

Not just loot boxes, but anything that can be wagered offsite or in game are under investigation. And it certainly include staking a Scythe of Vitur against other's Abyssal Whip in Duel Arena, or in an third party website. Obviously, we know these items don't come from TH or other forms of loot boxes.
So you are implying that anything from th-tokens to rares has no value in runescape that could not be gambled on 3rd party site? Im pretty sure that 200million purple price is real ingame currency and not just a cosmetic number.

Hardly point in arguing with you tho, you have deiced to go full brown nose mode for what ever reason so i will continue to argue against predatory gambling targeted at children and you can do what ever you do to become moderator.

20-Sep-2018 18:01:44

I Lack Heart said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Good thing you realized you are writing a

novel

, a

fiction

.

This is what the the governments are investigating:

"We are increasingly concerned with the risks being posed by the blurring of lines between gambling and other forms of digital entertainment such as video gaming," the statement reads. "Concerns in this area have manifested themselves in controversies relating to skin betting, loot boxes, social casino gaming and the use of gambling themed content within video games available to children."

Not just loot boxes, but anything that can be wagered offsite or in game are under investigation. And it certainly include staking a Scythe of Vitur against other's Abyssal Whip in Duel Arena, or in an third party website. Obviously, we know these items don't come from TH or other forms of loot boxes.
So you are implying that anything from th-tokens to rares has no value in runescape that could not be gambled on 3rd party site? Im pretty sure that 200million purple price is real ingame currency and not just a cosmetic number.

Hardly point in arguing with you tho, you have deiced to go full brown nose mode for what ever reason so i will continue to argue against predatory gambling targeted at children and you can do what ever you do to become moderator.

TH tokens, rares as well as other items one can get not from TH such as Scythe of Vitur will be treated the same under this investigation. That's the fact. And Jagex found illegal gambling was in OSRS, not RS3.

"The key focus for the parties involved appears to be tackling unlicensed third-party websites offering illegal gambling linked to popular video games".

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-09-17-15-european-gambling-regulators-unite-to-tackle-loot-box-threat

20-Sep-2018 18:25:38 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2018 02:04:38 by Dilbert2001

Ashlin107 said :
UrekMazino said :
TH won't be categorised as gambling, mostly since you can't sell the items/xp you earned for IRL money, well not legally anyways.

Well that depends on the country. Like for the Netherlands probably not but Belgium on the other hand have hit all lootboxes even ones you can't "cashout" like in Overwatch. Plus all the companies affected don't claim to allow these skin gambling sites but were still forced to remove them.

But it's with EA being the only company willing to fight the uphill battle for their lootboxes it's looking like TH's days are numbered. So thank you EA for starting the whole controversy and letting Belgium potentially make an example of you. We salute your sacrifice.

Check out which "holier than thou" country in the virtual world of their "anti-gambling stakeholders" but in real life a bona fide Lowest Common Denominator is not in that list of the 16 World Governments?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-09-17-15-european-gambling-regulators-unite-to-tackle-loot-box-threat

If your answer is Belgium, you are absolutely correct. Belgium is at odds with the entire world. They don't even support the real EU anti-gambling efforts of sanctioning and potentially regulating 3rd party illegal gambling sites, in other words, real world CRIMINALS.
Good joke.

What this means is EU is in favor of tackling the root of the gambling evil, that is, obviously illegal 3rd party gambling sites. There won't be any EU regulation on loot boxes alone, but there is a good chance that some regulations on 3rd party real world gambling and trading sites will be under discussions. PEGI's adoption on ESRB's in game purchase label also pretty much sealed the fate of loot box "regulations".

Besides, what happened to the Belgium "actions" on loot boxes? All talk and still no actions after almost half a year.

26-Sep-2018 16:18:54 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2018 16:47:35 by Dilbert2001

26-Sep-2018 16:39:14 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2018 16:42:06 by Nead

Nead said :
I Lack Heart said :
There is a reason they dont let you gamble in vegas if you are under 21, no matter how much your parents do or dont care.

Exactly this. I had to perform an arrest on a minor whom repeatedly entered the casino underage. Policies and laws aren't just set for fun.

Eat your peas and drink your milk, kids.



Excatly this. That's why Jagex banned their once favorite streamer and player mod who engaged in RWT with a illegal 3rd party gambling site. They also restricted Duel Arena in OSRS, a potential loop holes for the kind of truly illegal gambling the world's governments are beating up on.

Meanwhile, TH is not real gambling and have no real world impacts. That's why Jagex is business as usual all the way with TH.

26-Sep-2018 16:51:32