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Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
While UK Gambling Commission's stance remains unchanged, a recent survey by Dr David Zendle and Dr Paul Cairns of York St. John University and University of York supported academic claims that loot boxes are "psychologically akin to gambling".

This is the only reference that I can find to any kind of behavioural psychologist in that magazine article.

Please do post the link to the behavioural psychology report that states there is no link between gambling and loot boxes and treasure hunter and that it isn't a gateway.


I've posted multiple researches linking both. The main need scientific research needs is a more longitudinal study it would seem.


Yes and I haven't seen throughout the entire enquiry anything to suggest otherwise.

25-Aug-2019 18:43:39

Torgi Nudho

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Yes Lola, agreed,


but... Monetization schemes are cunning, so I'd assume they will adapt. Changes in law usually have a hard time keeping up with an everchanging environment, at least from my experience this statement seems to be true.

25-Aug-2019 18:46:00

Torgi Nudho

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xox Lola xox said :
Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
While UK Gambling Commission's stance remains unchanged, a recent survey by Dr David Zendle and Dr Paul Cairns of York St. John University and University of York supported academic claims that loot boxes are "psychologically akin to gambling".

This is the only reference that I can find to any kind of behavioural psychologist in that magazine article.

Please do post the link to the behavioural psychology report that states there is no link between gambling and loot boxes and treasure hunter and that it isn't a gateway.


I've posted multiple researches linking both. The main need scientific research needs is a more longitudinal study it would seem.


Yes and I haven't seen throughout the entire enquiry anything to suggest otherwise.



Totally true, any proper sources or evidence countering what you have been proving has been lacking.

25-Aug-2019 18:46:57

Torgi Nudho

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This entire cat and mouse game of loot boxes, reminds me of transfer pricing regulations across the world. There used to be almost none (in the 1980's-ish), looking at regulations now well,... there's an entire institution (OECD) that does nothing but guide/setup regulations, from which countries create their own rules and regulations.

Seems a bit similar, we're already at the international institutions and research point :P

25-Aug-2019 18:50:21 - Last edited on 25-Aug-2019 18:52:13 by Torgi Nudho

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Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
While UK Gambling Commission's stance remains unchanged, a recent survey by Dr David Zendle and Dr Paul Cairns of York St. John University and University of York supported academic claims that loot boxes are "psychologically akin to gambling".

This is the only reference that I can find to any kind of behavioural psychologist in that magazine article.

Please do post the link to the behavioural psychology report that states there is no link between gambling and loot boxes and treasure hunter and that it isn't a gateway.


I've posted multiple researches linking both. The main need scientific research needs is a more longitudinal study it would seem.


Yes and I haven't seen throughout the entire enquiry anything to suggest otherwise.



Totally true, any proper sources or evidence countering what you have been proving has been lacking.


Totally true. Why don't you ask that magazine to show us the sources? They misreported what the DCMS said about loot boxes and gambling and then posted a correction article admitting the rebuttal from DCMS.

Now that we know the DCMS clearly said there is NO LINKS between loot boxes and gambling. It will help if that magazine can show us their sources even though the DCMS had proven it incorrect, citing even the researcher himself said he can't provide any links. :)

25-Aug-2019 19:37:12

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Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
Torgi Nudho said :
xox Lola xox said :
While UK Gambling Commission's stance remains unchanged, a recent survey by Dr David Zendle and Dr Paul Cairns of York St. John University and University of York supported academic claims that loot boxes are "psychologically akin to gambling".

This is the only reference that I can find to any kind of behavioural psychologist in that magazine article.

Please do post the link to the behavioural psychology report that states there is no link between gambling and loot boxes and treasure hunter and that it isn't a gateway.


I've posted multiple researches linking both. The main need scientific research needs is a more longitudinal study it would seem.


Yes and I haven't seen throughout the entire enquiry anything to suggest otherwise.



Totally true, any proper sources or evidence countering what you have been proving has been lacking.


Totally true. Why don't you ask that magazine to show us the sources? They misreported what the DCMS said about loot boxes and gambling and then posted a correction article admitting the rebuttal from DCMS.

Now that we know the DCMS clearly said there is NO LINKS between loot boxes and gambling. It will help if that magazine can show us their sources even though the DCMS had proven it incorrect, citing even the researcher himself said he can't provide any links. :)


maybe you should post that to the enquiry so they can ask them for their spokesperson source lol

but in fact they have repeatedly stated it makes no difference really.

margot said they should be looking to the health services, which means Jagex are well... fucked...

25-Aug-2019 19:41:50

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Thank you. If I could start the questioning, you may be aware that one of the issues we have been looking at as part of the inquiry is the role of loot boxes within free-to-play games and whether loot boxes could be considered to be a form of game of chance that could be equated to or compared to gambling. We are very interested in your position, as to whether you believe there could be grounds for redefining loot boxes as a form of gambling within games.
Neil McArthur: Thank you. Our position is loot boxes could be a form of gambling, but like so much, it depends on the exact circumstances in which they are offered. The Gambling Act tells us that gambling is either gaming, betting or lotteries and this is a form of gambling. Then the Gambling Act tells us that gambling means playing a game of chance for a prize. You can certainly see circumstances when a loot box might fall within that definition.

25-Aug-2019 19:47:13

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Clive Efford: How concerned are you about the psychological similarities between the variable ratio reinforcement schedules that loot boxes and other game mechanics employ and gambling?

Brad Enright: We have already touched on it, that there is concern about the similarities with loot boxes and gambling and the chance-based mechanics, the mixture of expenditure, inviting rapid continual transactions. In our opinion, the video game industry have in effect left themselves open to these sort of challenges because of the manner in which they presented these games, created these for commercial purposes and then perhaps have not heeded entirely the guidance that we have issued in some circumstances. I want to say that we are talking about a small number of games

25-Aug-2019 19:52:19

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