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Dilbert2001 said :
Michael could have been "lured" by any Black Friday sales on a car and such too.

GDPR is not a new law specifically to video games, let alone loot boxes.

But he didn't and in a car sales, you know exactly how much you're going to pay for your new Cvic, don't you? But neither Michael not anyone not in EA knows how much a Messi card (or any card) will cost. Heck since its a random chance, there is no definite price tag on it, you can only know the approximate average a player would need to spend to get it.

Stop lying about the GDPR, it was implemented this year only, their own official website says so.
https://gdpr-info.eu/
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03-Oct-2018 17:32:18

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Real world companies always follow real world laws. Real world laws in countries like Ireland as well as almost every country in the world never ban loot boxes or even remotely saying so.

The real world fact is nothing has been said about TH being "gambling", "illegal", or anything even remotely bad. No government is even said to have anything to do with TH, just nobody. That's why you see TH in Runescape as well as all kinds of loot boxes still running everywhere.

So there is the petty lowest common denominator Belgium, but so what? They have a few words on EA's loot boxes but evidently they have done nothing in the real world to bring EA to court. That's why EA is still pushing forward with their loot boxes. Besides, the fact that Belgium did not join the EU coalition against the truly real world gambling websites exposed their cover. Unlike the real world anti-gambling countries, they are not there to tackle real world gambling problems.

Now of course all real world companies have to comply to real world laws. That's why there are still laws like GDPR and common consumer laws they every one needs to follow. But again, everything is fine with TH from all angels because loot boxes are not anything different than skins, virtual currencies, or even real world commerce products like Baseball Cards or even cars. :D

03-Oct-2018 17:48:20

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Dilbert2001 said :
Real world companies always follow real world laws. Real world laws in countries like Ireland as well as almost every country in the world never ban loot boxes or even remotely saying so.

Times change, and so will the laws, its already happened in a few countries, mentioned earlier.

Dilbert2001 said :
The real world fact is nothing has been said about TH being "gambling", "illegal", or anything even remotely bad. No government is even said to have anything to do with TH, just nobody. That's why you see TH in Runescape as well as all kinds of loot boxes still running everywhere.

I never said nor insinuated that TH is gambling or illegal, in fact, I said the exact opposite. So what's your point?

Dilbert2001 said :
So there is the petty lowest common denominator Belgium, but so what? They have a few words on EA's loot boxes but evidently they have done nothing in the real world to bring EA to court. That's why EA is still pushing forward with their loot boxes. Besides, the fact that Belgium did not join the EU coalition against the truly real world gambling websites exposed their cover. Unlike the real world anti-gambling countries, they are not there to tackle real world gambling problems.

Lol, nothing happening to EA huh?
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/ea-belgium-loot-boxes-criminal-investigation-1202936383/
https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/1428/gaming-companies-could-face-criminal-prosecution-over-loot-boxes/7

You have yet to provide a single source for any of your claims, at least not when you're directed at me.
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03-Oct-2018 17:57:47

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Dilbert2001 said :
Now of course all real world companies have to comply to real world laws. That's why there are still laws like GDPR and common consumer laws they every one needs to follow. But again, everything is fine with TH from all angels because loot boxes are not anything different than skins, virtual currencies, or even real world commerce products like Baseball Cards or even cars.

Ah, you so confidently say that, EA also said the same so confidently less than a year ago, and now they may face criminal prosecution, times change buddy, keep up. You can bet your bottom dollar that gamers will continue to rally against predatory practices by the greedy game companies.
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03-Oct-2018 17:57:52

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The gamers rally, so now the real world governments are going after real world traders and 3rd party gamblers. Good for the world.

The blur line between gaming and gambling is becoming more visible every day. Only invisible anti-loot box "laws" are faking away like Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. :D

What else can gamers do? It is really simple. Their money. They pay for loot boxes just like other services in the games and real world if they want to.

03-Oct-2018 18:06:18

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Dilbert2001 said :
The gamers rally, so now the real world governments are going after real world traders and 3rd party gamblers. Good for the world.

The blur line between gaming and gambling is becoming more visible every day. Only invisible anti-loot box "laws" are faking away like Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

Fake?

Dilbert2001 said :
What else can gamers do? It is really simple. Their money. They pay for loot boxes just like other services in the games and real world if they want to.

It's not that simple.
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03-Oct-2018 18:14:25

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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The gamers rally, so now the real world governments are going after real world traders and 3rd party gamblers. Good for the world.

The blur line between gaming and gambling is becoming more visible every day. Only invisible anti-loot box "laws" are faking away like Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

Fake?

Dilbert2001 said :
What else can gamers do? It is really simple. Their money. They pay for loot boxes just like other services in the games and real world if they want to.

It's not that simple.


Quote the "anti-loot box laws" if they are not fake please. Don't just tell me that GDPR is loot box law. Don't tell me the failed "UK petition" is law. Don't tell me the Failed Chris Lee Loot Box BILLS are laws. :D

The players who paid almost $30 million for TH alone last year certainly dictated how they spent their money
.

03-Oct-2018 18:25:34

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Dilbert2001 said :
Quote the "anti-loot box laws" if they are not fake please. Don't just tell me that GDPR is loot box law.

I never did? You brought up the GDPR from the Michael case, which was a law that forced EA to release his personal information, nothing to do with loot box. Did you actually read the article? Are you actually reading my replies or just skimming?

Dilbert2001 said :
Don't tell me the failed "UK petition" is law. Don't tell me the Failed Chris Lee Loot Box BILLS are laws.

Did I ever say any of that? Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Anyways, for every failed bill to pass, there will be one that will be successful.

US - https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=04c83f73-6a42-43ec-baf3-dd30b7094ab0

Dutch - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43906306

Dutch - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/dutch-government-rules-some-loot-boxes-count-as-illegal-gambling/

Dutch pressuring EU - https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-04-20-dutch-gaming-authority-wants-eu-wide-loot-box-legislation

Belgian - https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/325085/2K_tweaks_loot_boxes_in_NBA_2K_to_comply_with_new_Belgian_gambling_laws.php

China - https://techraptor.net/content/chinas-loot-box-law-may-actually-help-games-like-overwatch-get-more-money

Hawaii - https://techraptor.net/content/hawaii-proposes-bills-regulate-games-loot-boxes

Before you say these aren't getting rid of MTX, let me remind you that the point we were talking about is new laws regarding MTX in general, or modifications on existing ones. So that I may save myself a reply before you inevitably misunderstand me or deliberately change the topic/move goal post.
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03-Oct-2018 18:40:12

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Dilbert2001 said :
The players who paid almost $30 million for TH alone last year certainly dictated how they spent their money
.

So? The players who feel cheated/taken advantage by are now getting the government to step-in on this whole loot box ordeal, and now several game developers have withdrawn or changed the monetisation in the countries/states that responded to the uproar. Change is slow, but its happening, you can cover your ears and close your eyes all you want. I could care less about your opinion.

Even EA is cutting back on their MTX, e.g. their future game: Anthem
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