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Hazeel

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@Ascertes

1) You can add "g" on there while you're at it.

"G) Somehow the wizards forgot rediscovering it."

Ariane: Of course! That makes a lot of sense. Teleport spells need to move the traveler through a second plane of existence, in order to bypass obstacles. The teleport spells in the standard spellbook use a plane called the Abyss. It's dangerous and chaotic, but that's not normally a problem because you're only there for a split second. The old wizards' ritual created a link to the Abyss which teleport spells could then use. That's what the power beam is. All our teleport spells use the power beam as an anchor. Something modern-day wizards have never understood, though, is how the connection to the Abyss was made in the first place

A) A lot of benefit of the doubt for a headcanon, Asc.

B) Going off the above quote and Zanmaron's dialogue, it sounds like any dimension would have worked.

C) The incident in question happened with the modern day wizards though...with Ariane. They may not have full Saradominist loyalty, but they still follow the rules. How were you unaware that I was referring to this?

D) It holds the key to the abyss and is necessary to create the link.

3) Ha ha, no, no, like I said I'm not bothering with this flamebait. Just use a dictionary. XD

@Ancient/Pulsar/Xarth/Sep/Eh/Bryanis/Whatever button mash name you have now

1) Gonna need a quote on that because it makes no sense, considering Armadyl told him exactly what would happen.

2) We have you surrounded, Zamorak. Your armies lay in ruins on all sides! Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see how you can interpret that other than "They're all dead". At least all of them relevant to the battle.

Oh boy, I smell factioneering again. Are we going to have another thread on how you saw the light of Seren? -_-; or are you going to convert to Sara for a third time?

Ho hum, this is starting to get stale.
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

03-May-2015 07:53:20 - Last edited on 03-May-2015 08:51:31 by Hazeel

Derack
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Ascertes said :
Derack said :
Ascertes said :

2. Every order had a hand in the tower's destruction and to deny this is literal epitome of cherry picking and/or slander.
thats funny, last time we discused it you said that the blame was all on red.


Nope. I have always maintained that it was all the order's faults. The only times I go after the reds are when you blow out your aorta about how "EVIL THOSE BLUE WZARDS ARE ERMAHGERHD!"

So, no. It is every order's fault. How long have you been around me and still haven't figured that out?

EDIT: Now that I think about it, you do have a penchant for stereotyping Saradominists to be intolerant, myself included.
i doubt it ascert. finding a way to blame it all on me, again? also, rather though to discus things when i'm busy doing something in game - or when i'm not online, when it happens.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

03-May-2015 12:56:08

Derack
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Ancientm3ge said :

2* Zamorak's followers were not all dead, Bandos said his armies were surrounded but nothing alludes to them all being dead as you stated here without evidence. They did die however by Zamorak's own hand when he overloaded the stone. It would be wise to stop attacking the blue wizards for 'killing their friends' when you follow a god that obliterated all life in Forinthry, even those loyal to him.
"Bandos: Close that beak of yours. We have you surrounded, Zamorak. Your armies lay in ruins on all sides! "
so no, zamorak hasent destroyed his own armys by looks of what bandos says. 3 gods wanted zamorak dead, you really think his followers will be left alone? it will be like the zarosian extermination.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

03-May-2015 13:07:32 - Last edited on 03-May-2015 13:08:19 by Derack

Ancientm3ge

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Hazeel said :


@Ancient/Pulsar/Xarth/Sep/Eh/Bryanis/Whatever button mash name you have now

1) Gonna need a quote on that because it makes no sense, considering Armadyl told him exactly what would happen.

2) We have you surrounded, Zamorak. Your armies lay in ruins on all sides! Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see how you can interpret that other than "They're all dead". At least all of them relevant to the battle.

Oh boy, I smell factioneering again. Are we going to have another thread on how you saw the light of Seren? -_-; or are you going to convert to Sara for a third time?

Ho hum, this is starting to get stale.


1} I will try to find the quote, iirc it was mod osborne answering questions about Zamorak. It was said he wasn't fully aware of the damage he would cause. DAT is heavily criticized for lore fails however, so what Armadyl said doesn't really make sense, how would he know what would happen?

2} Hmm I admit I may have spoke a bit too soon then, I only remembered Bandos saying his armies were surrounded on all sides, not that they were in ruins.

3} The only thing getting stale is your attitude and endless conspiracy theories. You can call me all the names you want, it only reflects poorly upon you especially when I am trying to discuss lore and you insist on following through with your forum politics.

Convert to Saradomin for a third time? If you recall and since you seem to be obsessed with my actions you should, I have never joined Saradomin, Godless, or Armadyl. If you continue to harass me regarding these alt characters without proof I will have no choice but to involve Jagex support in this situation. You can either discuss lore as was intended or you can not say anything to me at all if you can not engage in polite discourse.
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03-May-2015 16:22:46 - Last edited on 03-May-2015 16:23:11 by Ancientm3ge

Ancientm3ge

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Derack said :
Ancientm3ge said :

2* Zamorak's followers were not all dead, Bandos said his armies were surrounded but nothing alludes to them all being dead as you stated here without evidence. They did die however by Zamorak's own hand when he overloaded the stone. It would be wise to stop attacking the blue wizards for 'killing their friends' when you follow a god that obliterated all life in Forinthry, even those loyal to him.
"Bandos: Close that beak of yours. We have you surrounded, Zamorak. Your armies lay in ruins on all sides! "
so no, zamorak hasent destroyed his own armys by looks of what bandos says. 3 gods wanted zamorak dead, you really think his followers will be left alone? it will be like the zarosian extermination.


Hi Talon, yes you are right about what Bandos said I did forget about that so its my bad there. I know the gods wanted Zamorak dead but I don't think they wanted to kill all of his followers, Saradomin may have but the others would have wanted to convert them or take them as POWS.

We have to be careful when invoking any 'Zarosian Extermination' because the details on that are sketchy at best.
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03-May-2015 16:39:58

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
1) Gonna need a quote on that because it makes no sense, considering Armadyl told him exactly what would happen.


Correction, Armadyl guessed what would happen.

The stone had never been used in such an unstable condition before and hasn't since. There was no information supporting Armadyl's conclusion that the stone being unstable would cause as much destruction as he suggested.

03-May-2015 17:06:53

Ancientm3ge

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Hguoh said :
Hazeel said :
1) Gonna need a quote on that because it makes no sense, considering Armadyl told him exactly what would happen.


Correction, Armadyl guessed what would happen.

The stone had never been used in such an unstable condition before and hasn't since. There was no information supporting Armadyl's conclusion that the stone being unstable would cause as much destruction as he suggested.


Agreed which is why that line is very odd.
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03-May-2015 17:23:53

Hazeel

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@Asdruba3l

...You're right. When your opening post starts with flame bait and then proceeds to factioneering, I should realize by now that you're here with the intent to cause drama and stir the pot.

I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, but I'll end it now. But honestly, if you're going to cry harassment, I'd do it on another account that hasn't made several ****** threats to various people.
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

03-May-2015 18:58:24

Zulkir

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Ancientm3ge said :
Hazeel said :
If you continue to harass me regarding these alt characters without proof I will have no choice but to involve Jagex support in this situation. You can either discuss lore as was intended or you can not say anything to me at all if you can not engage in polite discourse.



Hahahaha!
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03-May-2015 19:15:58

Ascertes

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Hazeel said :
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A**** hominem and no counter argument, so I'm going to ignore this one.

B. Except it wouldn't have.

Ariane: Of course! That makes a lot of sense. Teleport spells need to move the traveler through a second plane of existence, in order to bypass obstacles. The teleport spells in the standard spellbook use a plane called the Abyss. It's dangerous and chaotic, but that's not normally a problem because you're only there for a split second. The old wizards' ritual created a link to the Abyss which teleport spells could then use. That's what the power beam is. All our teleport spells use the power beam as an anchor. Something modern-day wizards have never understood, though, is how the connection to the Abyss was made in the first place

Note the underline section. Read up on the abyss to understand why it's integral to teleportation. There is a very good reason, and it has nothing to do with the Wizard's love of demons. If any dimension would have worked, we could lay a ton more blame on the Red Wizard's for the tower's destruction.

C. I'm not saying they're not Saradominists...quite the opposite, actually. But what I'm saying is that they aren't jingoistic in their loyalty as the old wizards were.

D. Won't comment, haven't read the transcript.



3. So you're either a religious fanatic or an atheist, and black and white thinking is suddenly okay...Right. Whatever. Makes sense

not really
-Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

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