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Raxxess

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Hazeel said :


Religion:

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

So you worship a God...but don't follow a God. That's...interesting. Nothing more to say, so I'll drop it at that.

That really doesn't make any sense, comparing the irl definition to this instance is really poor since there really is no faith involved, Saradomin exists in the game regardless if they follow him or not. To spell it out easily "Godless don't follow any gods, but they know they exist"

They can support the faction without following the religion. In WE1 people that don't actually follow saradomin supported him.
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04-May-2015 00:00:36 - Last edited on 04-May-2015 00:01:23 by Raxxess

Raxxess

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Hazeel said :
@Asdruba3l

...You're right. When your opening post starts with flame bait and then proceeds to factioneering, I should realize by now that you're here with the intent to cause drama and stir the pot.

I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, but I'll end it now. But honestly, if you're going to cry harassment, I'd do it on another account that hasn't made several ****** threats to various people.

How is that any different than what you are doing....?
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04-May-2015 00:12:45

Zulkir

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Raxxess said :
Hazeel said :
@Asdruba3l

...You're right. When your opening post starts with flame bait and then proceeds to factioneering, I should realize by now that you're here with the intent to cause drama and stir the pot.

I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, but I'll end it now. But honestly, if you're going to cry harassment, I'd do it on another account that hasn't made several ****** threats to various people.

How is that any different than what you are doing....?

I don't think I've ever seen Hazeel make a ****** threat towards anyone, when there are plenty of screenshots of Ancient doing so.
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04-May-2015 07:21:26

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The original posts have been updated and touched up.

Feel free to read/reread them for some better insight between these two sides, especially in light of the upcoming Siege of Falador.

Enjoy!
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08-Oct-2015 05:09:39

Lianna98

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Here we go... I apologize in advance for the blocks of text I'm about to shove in.

Order through unification. While it's true that chaos cannot be completely removed from the scene, it could be reduced to such a minor degree that it has virtually no chance of undermining everything. In layman's terms, it cannot be removed but it can be controlled and this has been the norm most of the time.

Saradomin's mission lies in uniting the populace of Gielinor under his rule. By all means, he is aware that there would always be someone or something that will oppose his order of things but these were clearly dealt with, sometimes with extreme prejudice. Though his methods were often viewed as merciless, morbid, and even ironic, they had the desired effect and were justified in the end, most of the time. Nowhere did he state that he intends a "perfect world" but it is clear that he seeks to unite Gielinor under his rule and build a mighty civilization under his name as he had done with the Icyene and the likely the Centaur homeworlds.

This millenia-old struggle against Zamorak and other entities were but huge obstacles to his master plan which had cost him and his faithful too much already. All things considered, he'd be better of without Zamorak's involvement with everything.

Zamorak speaks of betterment of oneself through the chaos another brings but what most fail to see is that the chaos they bring very much hinders what greater progress the majority can achieve. Yes, it's HIS order, HIS rule, HIS desire, but let's be honest here. If we go back to the first time Saradominists and Zamorakians shared Gielinor, which of the two sides had faired better overall until the present day? Who resides inside humanity's greatest cities and who are the ones living hidden in caves, strongholds in the Wilderness, etc, seeking to spread doom or claim those owned by the former? Which one has a better grip on actual civilization here?

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13-Oct-2015 13:24:09

Lianna98

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As stated prior, Saradominism will never overthrow chaos completely but can put it under some means of control as what it has done since the rise of humanity over other races. Order does not necessarily mean no freedom but it is limited. A society built on order is meant to last until said order fails to maintain it.

Chaos on the other hand, is freeing, yes, but it will only be beneficial as long as you are doing well. While one can trample others under their feet in their quest for "betterment", they stand equal chance of being the ones trampled in return by those on the same path. This mentality benefits only the fittest while the rest struggle or die out. While it filters the best individuals, it will never be a pattern for a society that's meant to last for chaos brings rapid change. Too much change ruptures stability and an unstable society is doomed to revert itself to their base state where everything built upon, every progress made no matter how significant, is destroyed and must be restarted.

A balanced society stands the best chance to last but this where the subject of stagnation must be brought up. For change to be brought forth, either side must tip the balance even for a brief period. It was for this reason that the Guthixian-sided races were unprepared when the God Wars raged. While majority of Zamorakians point out Saradominism/order as roots of stagnation, I see balance as the true cause which is why I never saw Guthixianism as Gielinor's solution.

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13-Oct-2015 13:26:14 - Last edited on 13-Oct-2015 14:13:56 by Lianna98

Lianna98

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The ultimate freedom is indeed yours but it is through this reasoning that Zamorakians are much more divided and through the years has failed to establish a society that could rival that of Saradominists. Everyone has an agenda of their own fueled by their own interpretations of Zamorak's teachings. While subservient to a greater power, they seek to overthrow and take the power for themselves and the cycle continues. Betrayal becomes the theme of the game and this is where, in all sense of irony, Zamorakians enforce their own method of order...

Zamorak himself, in this prime example, issued the Robes of Subjugation to his followers to instill fear to anyone who'd dared defy him. Fear is a great motivator and means of control and through it, order is retained among his ranks. This is almost parallel to Saradomin's method of severing Garlandia's wings to instill his will among the Icyene. One can never flat out state that chaos came before order when chaos can definitely mean the absence of the former and vice-versa until someone can actually verify in the beginning of everything which came first. The age-old question about the chicken and the egg in a nutshell.

While I could agree that progress can be achieved if there is chaos, it is the resulting order, the calm, after such chaos does progress truly bloom. Those who were left learned from their mistakes and from there do they rebuild based on the knowledge they have collectively acquired. For you to say Saradomin does not want progress is a clear irony to what he is doing and has done. While not much is known of New Domina, it could be easily assumed that the Icyene can never have attained their full might when they stepped into Gielinor had they not been united under Saradomin.

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13-Oct-2015 13:28:08

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