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Conman978
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The driving philosophy behind Saradomin is strength through order, which before the crazy fanatic sixth age started, also meant strength through wisdom. Wisdom is not a philosophy where you do X and get Y. Instead, it takes phenomena such as natural occurrences which are unable to be controlled, and catalogs responses. In other words, you might say * happens (an earthquake hits), but it's not the first earthquake to hit said region. Wisdom in this case would allow you to pull from past experiences to make informed decisions about the present.

Compare wisdom to chaos, and no, you do not immediately benefit, which could possibly explain how wisdom in itself does not appear to be a philosophy. But look at wisdom in light of an ordered society (aka, Saradomin's) and you might find that this means Saradomin can account for contingencies.

Hmm, /rant end. Hope that kind of made sense, was fleshing it out as I went. Certainly open to critique.

23-Jan-2014 00:10:07

Quenyatur

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Conman978 said :
The driving philosophy behind Saradomin is strength through order, which before the crazy fanatic sixth age started, also meant strength through wisdom. Wisdom is not a philosophy where you do X and get Y. Instead, it takes phenomena such as natural occurrences which are unable to be controlled, and catalogs responses. In other words, you might say * happens (an earthquake hits), but it's not the first earthquake to hit said region. Wisdom in this case would allow you to pull from past experiences to make informed decisions about the present.

Compare wisdom to chaos, and no, you do not immediately benefit, which could possibly explain how wisdom in itself does not appear to be a philosophy. But look at wisdom in light of an ordered society (aka, Saradomin's) and you might find that this means Saradomin can account for contingencies.

Hmm, /rant end. Hope that kind of made sense, was fleshing it out as I went. Certainly open to critique.

But the Saradominists don't do that.

Zamorak attacks when he can, going for power. OK.
Zamorak does the same thing in the 6th Age, no one's ready.

Zombies attack Varrock. OK.
Zombies attack again, no one's ready.

23-Jan-2014 03:02:13

Quenyatur

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Lord Xam said :
You say that chaos equals progress, and order does not. Do you believe this only because Zamorak said so?

It is, after all, the Saradominist regions whithin the game world which have prospered the most over the last ages. Order does not prevent progress.

Prosperous, yes, but advanced? No. They're in the same technological state they've been in since the God Wars, except for Runes.

Even as Saradomin's kingdoms remain the same...

Zamorakians locate the Wand of Resurrection, and dig into Daemonheim, and take over Ardougne.
Zarosians re-establish contact with Zaros and plan to make contact with Guthix.
Guthixians found the Void Knights.
Bandosians invade Saradominist lands (Lumbridge Goblins).


And out of all of those... Zamorakians made the most progress. It was they who looked for unstoppable weapons. They who sought to bring back their god (Zarosians too). They who sought to expand their dominance.

In the old Wizards' Tower, it was the Zamorakians that searched alternative routes--and found one, one that we still use today.

It was the Zamorakians that discovered the Abyss and Ourania.


And while they did all of that... Saradominists sat in their cities and achieved nothing .

23-Jan-2014 03:09:39

Browncow45
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Quenyatur said :
Lord Xam said :
You say that chaos equals progress, and order does not. Do you believe this only because Zamorak said so?

It is, after all, the Saradominist regions whithin the game world which have prospered the most over the last ages. Order does not prevent progress.

Prosperous, yes, but advanced? No. They're in the same technological state they've been in since the God Wars, except for Runes.

Even as Saradomin's kingdoms remain the same...

Zamorakians locate the Wand of Resurrection, and dig into Daemonheim, and take over Ardougne.
Zarosians re-establish contact with Zaros and plan to make contact with Guthix.
Guthixians found the Void Knights.
Bandosians invade Saradominist lands (Lumbridge Goblins).


And out of all of those... Zamorakians made the most progress. It was they who looked for unstoppable weapons. They who sought to bring back their god (Zarosians too). They who sought to expand their dominance.

In the old Wizards' Tower, it was the Zamorakians that searched alternative routes--and found one, one that we still use today.

It was the Zamorakians that discovered the Abyss and Ourania.


And while they did all of that... Saradominists sat in their cities and achieved nothing . Everything from wizards tower like lodestones, rediscovery of essence, and the runespan since it's rebuilding has been Saradominists.

The factions that haven't progressed are the Serenists, who have moved backwards, and Armadyleans on account of a nonexistent population. The Zarosian faction should basically be called Azzanadra since everything has been the efforts of him and a bungling adventurer.

23-Jan-2014 03:31:00

Ancientm3ge

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Ascertes said :
Saradomin has been gone from Gielinor for awhile now, and his order never fell apart. As a matter of fact, those under his banner flourished while Zamorakianism, Bandosianism and Serenism all went into decline.

Serenist ideals have not gone into decline, her ideals and influence have always been isolated within Tirannwn except for the establishment of the Baxtorian Kingdom.

The spread and rise of Saradominist ideals are not because of his doing, albeit the mere fact that his followers are human and are the dominant force on this world thanks to runestones and the ability to wield magic.

The harsh suppression of differing ideals have also helped to establish the base of your religion, it has been built on fear and control and is ultimately doomed to fail.

A radiant light shall soon shine forth, a great power that was once contained will reassemble itself, my lady Seren will soon return to this world and all will be welcome within her sanctuary, a world without fear and imposed order, awaits those who seek it.

Lady Seren has always been with us, my dear Saradominist friend and soon she shall reawaken her power for all to see and wonder.
Enlightenment is coming

23-Jan-2014 03:38:13 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2014 03:38:33 by Ancientm3ge

Cybernet377
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Quenyatur said :
Zombies attack Varrock. OK.
Zombies attack again, no one's ready.

Hilariously, the most recent time they were attacked before DoV, Varrock was more prepared than in Defender of Varrock.

Lucien attacked with zombies in 154 (less than two decades ago), and the army was crushed even without the shield, because Varrock had a highly trained military and effectively used runes to win the attempted siege.

His army was beaten so quickly that most of Varrock never learned his name, just remembering him as some random necromancer.

24-Jan-2014 04:36:25

Awesome041

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I am not so sure I agree entirely with the whole order needing chaos but not the other way around. It could be argued that chaos doesn't even exist, things that appear chaotic actually do have an order to them, it may just be of a higher magnitude. So who is really to say what comes from what or which ideas hold true?

24-Jan-2014 04:48:27

Quenyatur

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Cybernet377 said :
Quenyatur said :
Zombies attack Varrock. OK.
Zombies attack again, no one's ready.

Hilariously, the most recent time they were attacked before DoV, Varrock was more prepared than in Defender of Varrock.

Lucien attacked with zombies in 154 (less than two decades ago), and the army was crushed even without the shield, because Varrock had a highly trained military and effectively used runes to win the attempted siege.

His army was beaten so quickly that most of Varrock never learned his name, just remembering him as some random necromancer.

Exactly... and then they come back, break in easily, and almost win the siege until the very last minute when we save the day (again).

24-Jan-2014 04:59:18

NachtWeaver

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Zamorak knows his philosophy wouldn't work in absolute chaos. In theory Bandos was more of a god of absolute chaos. Because war is chaotic, and he wanted never ending war. Zamorak wants balance. Chaos and then REorder.

Gods are only given titles by their followers. They don't necessarily reflect every aspect of the philosophy. And we know many followers have royally mucked up their god's philosophies. As with real life religion. I personally think that sometimes Saradomin is more chaotic than Zamorak. And that Saradomin is more warmongering than Bandos. TFW You can't decide between support Zamorak or Zaros.

24-Jan-2014 05:27:22

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