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Unicornz pwn
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Lord Xam said :
You say that chaos equals progress, and order does not. Do you believe this only because Zamorak said so?

It is, after all, the Saradominist regions whithin the game world which have prospered the most over the last ages. Order does not prevent progress.
I say it because it is true. Saradomin's artificial order is far worse then Zamorak's artificial chaos, for this order leaves people unprepared for the real world when chaos is unleashed, just look at the Icyenic realm as said before. Prosperity, but then what? Famine,disease,death,looters,did Saradomin prepare the Icyene for when he was gone? No, he left probably knowing they wouldn't be prepared, which is just great for him, on his return he shall be hailed as a savior by the very people who's extinction would have been on his hands.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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30-Dec-2013 16:57:20 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2013 17:03:22 by Unicornz pwn

Unicornz pwn
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Zebub said :
Wait you're still Zarosian right? :O

You're 100% correct, I can't add anything to it. It does form an awkward question: if Saradomin's order is so bad what does it say about Zaros' control then? Zaros' control is even worse, as your whole situation is Zaros' fate and part of his plans. Just check the example:

Three people lost someone they loved in a violent way.
Zamorakian: Will try to move on and get stronger from the loss (probably aim for vengeance).
Saradominist: Succumbs in self-pity and tries to aim for justice through the officials, or let officials do it for him.
Zarosian: Accepts it as his fate, sees it all as part of the plan and is proud his loved one was sacrificed for it to accomplish Zaros' plans.

Both Zamorakians and Saradominist seek for justice in their own way but the Zarosian wouldn't.



~ There must be
Tranquillity
and
Conflict
,
Liberty
and
Control
,
Order
and
Chaos
,
Collectivity
and
Individuality
, there must be...
Balance
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Yes, I am still Zarosian. While I don't want to turn this thread into a Zaros one I will leave it at this: The passions of Zamorakianism are too destructive in my opinion, Zaros' message of self control over yourself first and foremost is more in line with what I think. But I must admit, this thread was a catalyst for me to think about a little faction switch. I would look very good in red and black...
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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30-Dec-2013 17:02:54 - Last edited on 08-Oct-2015 07:21:17 by Unicornz pwn

Ascertes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Ascertes said :
Saradomin isn't stupid; Natural chaos cannot be removed.

However, artificial chaos (the king Zamorak likes to unleash on innocent people) can be, and that is what must be removed.

We don't need sadists and social darwinists.
Zamorak is not a sadist. He brought chaos to people, albeit raw chaos in its most dangerous form to some, and they improved from it. Saradomin brought his order to people and the moment he left they fell apart and nearly were driven to extinction.

Saradomin isn't stupid. He is incredibly smart, he knows what he wants and he knows exactly how to get it. However what he wants is worship and if you are not willing to worship him and conform to his ideals you will be persecuted, perhaps by him directly, perhaps by his followers. Regardless there is no room for opposing beliefs in the Great Society of Saradomin.

So being engulfed by flames and being injured so badly that numerous healers are required to treat injuries? Yes, sounds like quite the improvement for those individuals. And, funnily enough, Saradomin has been gone from Gielinor for awhile now, and his order never fell apart. As a matter of fact, those under his banner flourished while Zamorakianism, Bandosianism and Serenism all went into decline.

No room for opposing beliefs?
"He's not the kind who would smite you for following another god."
"Saradomin is more tolerant than he is made out to be."

That is all. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

30-Dec-2013 17:28:07

Unicornz pwn
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PvM Vyre said :
You say that Saradomin punished Zamorakians only because they followed Zamorak, but lets not forget that Zamorak is misunderstood by +/- 95% of his followers. Zamorak might not be plain evil, but a big amount of his followers are.
Those are not true followers and the Saradominists know that. They took the Edgeville incident with Sollus Dellagar, nothing more then a serial killer using an antonym and used that as an excuse to banish the Kinshra from Falador. Before that it was the Wizards Tower's destruction. The Saradominists even had role to play in that but they used it as an excuse to excommunicate not just the red order, but all non Saradominist orders. They will jump at the chance to persecute all followers of all gods based off the actions of a few or through deception and extortion.
"Ego Te Provoco."

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30-Dec-2013 17:33:24

Unicornz pwn
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Don't get me wrong. Saradominist societies are wonderful to live in when they are on the rise. Let's look at after. The Icyenic realm was almost destroyed because the temporary and artificial order of Saradomin imposed on it. Lumbridge was almost destroyed because the stagnation order brought. Varrock was nearly wiped out by a zombie invasion-Twice! And then's there's Falador. The place where you are spied on and persecuted if it is found out you have different beliefs. But what happened when the Zamorakians and the void knights helped save Falador? Did the persecution end? Did the white knights rethink their stance on Zamorakinasm? No, they merely claimed success after leeching off the help of others. The persecution is real, some quote is not going to make me reject the myriad of examples where non Saradominists are persecuted by Saradominists.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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30-Dec-2013 17:42:54

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