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Wait you're still Zarosian right?

You're 100% correct, I can't add anything to it. It does form an awkward question: if Saradomin's order is so bad what does it say about Zaros' control then? Zaros' control is even worse, as your whole situation is Zaros' fate and part of his plans. Just check the example:

Three people lost someone they loved in a violent way.
Zamorakian: Will try to move on and get stronger from the loss (probably aim for vengeance).
Saradominist: Succumbs in self-pity and tries to aim for justice through the officials, or let officials do it for him.
Zarosian: Accepts it as his fate, sees it all as part of the plan and is proud his loved one was sacrificed for it to accomplish Zaros' plans.

Both Zamorakians and Saradominist seek for justice in their own way but the Zarosian wouldn't.



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30-Dec-2013 13:20:35 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2013 13:24:18 by Zebub

30-Dec-2013 13:28:03

30-Dec-2013 13:45:09

Zebub said :
Wait you're still Zarosian right?

You're 100% correct, I can't add anything to it. It does form an awkward question: if Saradomin's order is so bad what does it say about Zaros' control then? Zaros' control is even worse, as your whole situation is Zaros' fate and part of his plans. Just check the example:

Three people lost someone they loved in a violent way.
Zamorakian: Will try to move on and get stronger from the loss (probably aim for vengeance).
Saradominist: Succumbs in self-pity and tries to aim for justice through the officials, or let officials do it for him.
Zarosian: Accepts it as his fate, sees it all as part of the plan and is proud his loved one was sacrificed for it to accomplish Zaros' plans.

Both Zamorakians and Saradominist seek for justice in their own way but the Zarosian wouldn't.



~ There must be

Tranquillity

and

Conflict

,

Liberty

and

Control

,

Order

and

Chaos

,

Collectivity

and

Individuality

, there must be...

Balance

! Join the 9th faction: Guthix! ~

How are people to know it's not their fate to do something about it? Maybe it's their fate to make a revolutionary new justice system that is much more fair and competent than what exists because of this. Maybe their action will lead to the apprehension of a serial killer. Zarosians don't know their fate. It'd be counterproductive if they did. They will act as any person would, whether their action is fated or not.

And perhaps, sometimes, seeking comfort in their religion is a better option for a person or society than going on a suicidal revenge mission. If any Zarosian avoids the authorities, it's because of the fear of religious discrimination.

30-Dec-2013 13:53:08

Luseda said :
How are people to know it's not their fate to do something about it? Maybe it's their fate to make a revolutionary new justice system that is much more fair and competent than what exists because of this. Maybe their action will lead to the apprehension of a serial killer. Zarosians don't know their fate. It'd be counterproductive if they did. They will act as any person would, whether their action is fated or not.

And perhaps, sometimes, seeking comfort in their religion is a better option for a person or society than going on a suicidal revenge mission. If any Zarosian avoids the authorities, it's because of the fear of religious discrimination.
I actually base myself upon the Zaros preach of DoC... Sir Owen's death gets dismissed as inevitable and like Zaros wanted it. The player pretty much shrugs and accepts it.
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Lord Zaros, Empty Lord and arbiter of fate...All that happened here was inevitable, as you decreed it. I submit my will - and the fate of Sir Owen's soul - to you.
Religious discrimination ? I think you go far too deep into this...



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Tranquillity

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Conflict

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Liberty

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Control

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Order

and

Chaos

,

Collectivity

and

Individuality

, there must be...

Balance

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30-Dec-2013 14:26:12 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2013 14:26:38 by Zebub

30-Dec-2013 14:48:19

Luseda said :
It was said in a podcast that Zarosians are considered evil in the public eye. Not too long ago, Varrock had a Zamorakian massacre over an event that wasn't even their fault. Aesonig Raispher is Varrock's advisor. Some of Amelia's apprentices were killed in violence. Religious relations in Varrock really aren't that great. I doubt it's all that much better anywhere else.

Not that there are any everyday Zarosians known, but bandits. Every other is non-existant or keeps it a secret. Bandits do not have a system of law (I blame the extreme poverty) to turn to.

The player says Owen's death was inevitable. But, that doesn't lock the player out of trying to bring him back to life. For all the player knows, it's fated that he will be brought back to life. It's arrogant to assume one knows exactly what Zaros wants, better to do what's right (in my own ideals) or what you feel compelled to do. If it's the wrong reaction, if Zaros is that powerful, he'll have ways of turning you onto the right path.
Well if you look at Soran I would consider Zarosians evil to .

You just stated a paradox.
- If you wish Sir Owen to be revived, he gets revived. It was always part of Zaros' plan that you would revive him.
- If you don't wish Sir Owen to be revived, he gets revived anyway. Zaros will make you revive him so it fits with Zaros' plans.

So whatever you do, Sir Owen will be revived and it is always good in the eyes of Zaros. It pretty much makes every decision of you right. Either you 100% chose it and Zaros agrees or Zaros would have made you chose it. It is pretty determinative.



~ There must be

Tranquillity

and

Conflict

,

Liberty

and

Control

,

Order

and

Chaos

,

Collectivity

and

Individuality

, there must be...

Balance

! Join the 9th faction: Guthix! ~

~ There must be Tranquillity and Conflict, Liberty and Control, Order and Chaos, Collectivity and Individuality, there must be... Balance! ~

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30-Dec-2013 15:39:43