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Oct

2015

Orcrist9

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Gringis said :
Page 50 will never take this outpost of truth!

Oh, you necro'd this thread. While it's more interesting than other things on the forums, it's probably best to let threads that have been dying for nearly a year to finally die.

Here, I'll give you this strawberry if you keep it a secret!

30-Apr-2015 08:43:38

Benthomasnac

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Saradomins rule would never work. Time and time again throughout history, governments who had regimes much like saradomins were able to last for a time because their people believed in them, trusted them, and supported their views. However, After they began to take a heavy advantage of them, one person refused to let it happen anymore, and it set off a chain reaction of rebellion, and the regimes fell away to democracys, republics, and so on. Saradomin may be able to keep order due to he sheer godly might, but that would only slow people down. Some hero would rise up and smite him down. And the world be free again.
“I will not say, do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.

30-Apr-2015 15:30:56

May

2019

Kanarthasis

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Benthomasnac said :

I'm just going to explain to you, that without Saradomin, there would be no Lodestones, you know, those things you use EVERYDAY, when you get lazy, yeah, those ones? They're ours. Enjoy them.

Second of all, you know humans, yeah your race, yeah look what they did. Ships, cities, purpose, the default prayer spell book you use on your ironman, new accounts, that you're still using because you haven't unlocked ancient curses, the majority of your default spellbook, we had a part in that, if not most of it.

Then there's the speculated and heavily implied ( See I highlighted those in bold for those of you who are going to attack me later, perhaps because I follow "smurfledor*" or just because I'm somehow bashing the Empty Lord, yeah, you probably will ignore this anyway and argue against it anyway) enslavement or if you don't like that word, because you claim humans accepted their place in the empire, which is just as bad to be honest, they were treated in terrible conditions, they probably knew no better, in the Zarosian Empire.

Yeah well, we and Zamorak kind of burned it down, and well, humans are sort of, free? Have lives, clothing, docks to fish at for food, no Daemons whipping them or forcing them to yada-yada you get the point. Someone is going to call me out on this speculation as a claim anyway, it happens, people get ******, or if that's filtered, really annoyed , at even a hint of claiming their oh so perfect God is flawed. Figures.

But to the point, you're not as smart as you think. This is not real-life, this is runescape, and the difference is, Saradomin is a God. He has power beyond Governments, and he's no tyrant. He's just Human in the mind. Yeah, go ahead I know you're thinking it, a child with a rocket launcher. But you see, that's just it, it's that very reason he's great. We're not some science experiment, we matter to him. We're people, not toys." Zaros"

30-Apr-2015 18:17:03

Hazeel

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It's a game. Stop crying.

Kanarthasis said :
I'm just going to explain to you, that without Saradomin, there would be no Lodestones, you know, those things you use EVERYDAY, when you get lazy, yeah, those ones? They're ours. Enjoy them.

I'm guessing you hold the space bar during quests? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

30-Apr-2015 19:00:03 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2015 19:00:20 by Hazeel

Aug

2006

Miseryoflife

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This argument reminds me of the physics concept of entropy. How seemingly chaotic and random events lead to a perfect and absolute order in the end. Would like to note to achieve this perfect and absolute order everyone and everything in the universe would have to die first.

Balance within one's self

and

balance within the world

balance must be maintained.

30-Apr-2015 20:38:48

Last Prophet

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Hazeel said :
It's a game. Stop crying.

Kanarthasis said :
I'm just going to explain to you, that without Saradomin, there would be no Lodestones, you know, those things you use EVERYDAY, when you get lazy, yeah, those ones? They're ours. Enjoy them.

I'm guessing you hold the space bar during quests?

Well, now, if we're being fair...

The Red Order of the first Wizards' Tower developed the concept of using an intermediary plane to travel between any two points in Gielinor.

Now, fast forward:

The second Wizards' Tower, comprised solely of blue wizards, built the lodestone network.

While we can say that the red wizards are responsible for the advent of relatively easy teleportation, it was the Blue Order that actually created the sites.

I, for one, see no spacebarring here.

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Last Prophet

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01-May-2015 09:00:04

Hazeel

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@Last Prophet

Yeah, but in the end it's a hollow accomplishment when you consider...

1) They stole teleportation to begin with.

2) They killed all their friends over it and spread lies so everyone they loved would be persecuted over crimes that the Saras committed against them.

3) The 2nd Wizard Tower wizards aren't even Saradominist. Apparently it's just a bunch of lip service people go through to pander to Perien's intolerance. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-May-2015 16:35:43

Dec

2023

Mewzard

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I've always found this viewpoint weird, given we see the souls of everyone involved in the tower incident during the quest, and at the time of the disaster, they still considered one another friends, even if they disagreed on issues (the Blue Wizards certainly didn't approve of their friends being treated as enemies):

"Una*a the Blue: We're hurting someone - I can sense it. If you have a way to get me out of here, please use it.
Wizard Ellaron: It's too late for that, watery wizard. You disobeyed my master and stepped out of the circle! You destroyed the old tower and I'll use you to destroy the new one!
Una*a the Blue: Who are you?
Wizard Ellaron: I am Ellaron the Red, Heir to the Sacred Tradition of the Staff of Fire! I bring the vengeance of Zanmaron and Kelavan whom you betrayed.
Una*a the Blue: Zanmaron and Kelavan were my friends, and you are nothing like them, you hateful little man. Adventurer - get me out of here before I do any more harm. "

The Blue Apprentice, who would go onto take over for the second Wizard Tower seemed rather dull witted when compared to the rest, so perhaps he misunderstood what happened at the tower (or some people who were power hungry convinced him it was the Red Wizards' doing after realizing he was a good puppet and they could clear out opposition).

Without Order, Chaos is too wild and uncontrolled. People die for reasons they cannot fathom, and society cannot exist.

Without Chaos, Order is too restrained and strict. Freedom is nonexistent and the world stagnates.

No side is going for a 100% here. But both sides favor one over the other. I favor order personally, enough so that, while still having freedoms, we're also protected from harm and wrongdoing by others. Some level of stagnation is preferable to the deaths of innocents. Progress ignoring the value of life and people isn't really worth it, but the status quo isn't worth the sacrifice of progress, so a closer balance leaning towards Order is my choice.

01-May-2015 17:24:23

Ascertes

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Hazeel said :
@Last Prophet

Yeah, but in the end it's a hollow accomplishment when you consider...

1) They stole teleportation to begin with.

2) They killed all their friends over it and spread lies so everyone they loved would be persecuted over crimes that the Saras committed against them.

3) The 2nd Wizard Tower wizards aren't even Saradominist. Apparently it's just a bunch of lip service people go through to pander to Perien's intolerance.

DERP! Are we seriously going to have this argument again ?

1. The original concepts for teleportation were lost. Therefore, the 2nd wizards tower had no knowledge of the Red's teleportation schematics.

2. Every order had a hand in the tower's destruction and to deny this is literal epitome of cherry picking and/or slander.

3. It's primarily Saradominist.

If there's anybody that needs to go back and not space bar through a quest, it's you m8. Try to read dialogue and get your facts straight. You're embarrassing yourself. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

01-May-2015 17:46:29

Hazeel

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Ascertes said :
1. The original concepts for teleportation were lost. Therefore, the 2nd wizards tower had no knowledge of the Red's teleportation schematics.

Well Perien founded the 2nd Tower...so are you telling me he hid all knowledge of teleportation and some other 2nd Tower wizard just happened to discover teleportation (again) and just happened to decide to use the abyss (again) and worked with the demon to unlock it even though the 2nd Wizard's Tower has a phobia of demons?

Ascertes said :
2. Every order had a hand in the tower's destruction and to deny this is literal epitome of cherry picking and/or slander.

Maybe. But it was a conscious choice by the blue order to destroy it.

It's funny...when I see Zamorakians use the exact same argument you're using (but with Forinthry), you completely lose your mind. In both cases it was a conscious choice. Zamorak knew what would happen to Forinthry and the Blue Order knew what would happen to the tower.

The difference?

Zamorak blew up Forinthry in hopes of removing three tyrants from the world. His followers were already dead.

The Blue Order blew up the tower because they are so racist and intolerant to demons that they would rather blow up the tower, remove generations of knowledge, and kill their friends than work with one.

Ascertes said :
3. It's primarily Saradominist.

The new tower is still a Saradominist institution, although these days a lot of wizards only pay lip service to the religion. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-May-2015 20:57:28 - Last edited on 01-May-2015 21:03:11 by Hazeel

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