RuneScape Forum Archive | Saradomin, Seren, or Armadyl?

Ancient Drew

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Hazeel said :
Ancient Drew said :
Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws.

I think he was referring to the other race on New Domina. Maybe. But we do need more info on this race and what they were like. It sounds as if they were kratocratic, or probably were seeking to burn everything out of revenge, but we do need info. DoC2 please. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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29-Aug-2017 16:22:12

Astraea L

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Ugh, I'm sorry your thread has devolved into a bunch of arguing.

I would advise you to ignore the rest of these guys. Most of them are quite biased. Being a Saradominist, I have my biases as well, but I'll try to be as objective and informative as possible.

Saradomin

is the god of order and wisdom. He is devoted to defeating all who would threaten his people so that he can lead them to a new age of peace, prosperity, and enlightenment. Though he generally tries to do the right thing, some see him as arrogant and controlling, as he believes himself to be wiser than the other gods, and he has resorted to ruthless actions in the name of the greater good.

Saradomin believes that a stable and secure society is the key that will allow people to live comfortable, fulfilling lives and achieve their full potential, and believes that it is the duty of a god to rule with compassion and wisdom and protect their people.

Armadyl

is the god of law and justice. He is similar to Saradomin in many ways, and was a close ally of Saradomin in the past, but there are some key differences between them as well. Armadyl sees himself as a guide rather than a ruler, and wishes to create a world where gods and mortals can work together for the betterment of everyone. Conversely, however, he has also been described as naive.

Armadyl believes that freedom and justice are the key to a prosperous world, and his philosophy emphasizes cooperation and collectivism as well as respecting the rights of others.

Seren

is the goddess of peace and harmony. She mostly holds influence over the elves. She believes that gods should not impose themselves on mortals and generally isolates herself from the larger world. She is a pacifist, but is willing to fight to defend herself or her people. Though she is generally considered empathetic and kind, she has also been criticized by Saradomin and Armadyl for rarely using her powers to help those outside the elven lands.

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31-Aug-2017 21:29:10

Hazeel

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It isn't biased to simply say it as it is. You're simply being wishy washy and uninformative. Every faction/leader is easily described.

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Saradomin: Orderly, militant, and protective. Has a really bad temper that's led to genocide, can be controlling, but cares for his people and loves his daughter more than anything else. He's as flawed as any other well meaning human.

Armadyl: Similar to Saradomin. Well meaning but ultimately militant. Genuinely cares for his followers, but has allowed millions to die to fight in his wars. Not as temperamental as Saradomin, but a significantly worse leader.

Bandos: A psychopathic nihilist who values strength above all else. Is a hypocrite and a coward, afraid to fight himself. That said, he's not a dumb brute, he's actually very intelligent. Doesn't value his followers beyond being tools, albeit favoring his stronger tools.

Godless: A disorganized mess that, ultimately, wants to remove the Gods but hasn't really established a fully accepted concrete set of goals and ideals.

Zamorak: Preaches strength and pushes his followers to realize their potential. He cares for his followers, seeing some of them as family even willing to sacrifice himself for them. More moral than Bandos, but is pretty nihilistic and bloodthirsty himself, with no form of honor. Despite his powerful followers, he's ironically not that strong as a God.

Sliske: A nihilistic sociopath. I don't think anyone will disagree.

Zaros: Controlling, intelligent, very alien towards emotions, cares for Seren above all else. He cares for the world as a whole, but is more than willing to sacrifice several million pawns for his end goals. Ultimately preserves his own life above all else.

Seren: Loving and, unlike Saradomin and Armadyl, pacifistic. Well intentioned but arguably more emotional than Saradomin and as bad a leader as Armadyl. Her mistakes have hurt millions of people, followers and family alike.

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There's no need to saturate this. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

31-Aug-2017 22:24:14

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Sepulchre

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Not even a supposed or self-proclaimed 'God' is perfect. No god is.

If I were to choose between the three, I would pick Armadyl.

Saradomin is pretty hypocritical, but I believe his heart is honestly in the right place. The problem is that he comes off as.. Holier-than-thou. He's an Elder God in his own mind. He doesn't really have the ability to listen to other viewpoints without dismissing them immediately. He has a streak of self-entitlement and self-righteousness that hinders his own actions for good, and he seems too quick to jump to violence for my tastes.

Seren is a nice goddess. She genuinely cares for all her followers, and has deep emotional ties with any she sees as a friend. Her main problem is that she's prone to... psychosis? She nearly killed us, and the Mahjarrat, and Zamorak on Freneskae, her split self nearly shook Prifddinas apart when we mention Sliske or Zamorak. Also, remember the Dark Lord? Yeah I'll not take my chances there.

Armadyl is a tad naive, but he's learned since he was "controlled" by Saradomin all those centuries ago. He took out Bandos which, while it shows violence, you have to understand that it was the ONLY thing Bandos understood or cared about. In order for there to ever be peace on Gielinor, Bandos had to be either banished or killed. Banished is basically impossible, so killed was best. The near extinction of the Aviansie brought him to another level of intelligence, vigilance, and strategy. He seems hellbent on making sure his followers stay safe, while still maintaining the peace. Protect the innocent, punish the guilty. Zamorak.. mentioning the Aviansie set him off a bit, but let's be honest.. that was Zamorak being kind of a jerk. A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

01-Sep-2017 15:21:46

Padomenes

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Sepulchre said :
Not even a supposed or self-proclaimed 'God' is perfect. No god is.

If I were to choose between the three, I would pick Armadyl.

Saradomin is pretty hypocritical, but I believe his heart is honestly in the right place. The problem is that he comes off as.. Holier-than-thou. He's an Elder God in his own mind. He doesn't really have the ability to listen to other viewpoints without dismissing them immediately. He has a streak of self-entitlement and self-righteousness that hinders his own actions for good, and he seems too quick to jump to violence for my tastes. I wouldn't say so much as 'holier than thou' anymore, he means that his way is the most realistic/practical long-run, and likely to work in bringing a world of peace without barbarians to disrupt it since they're no longer there. All other methods from what I have seen have failed but I wish they could work. Better translated what he basically says for others is: "Show me where Armadyl and Seren's approaches to the world I envision has ever worked long-term without them being overrun by a more aggressive force in the end. I respect their vision, but their methods will not work ultimately in the end because all I've ever seen is those societies collapsing and failing."

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Sepulchre

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Padomenes said :
Sepulchre said :
Not even a supposed or self-proclaimed 'God' is perfect. No god is.

If I were to choose between the three, I would pick Armadyl.

Saradomin is pretty hypocritical, but I believe his heart is honestly in the right place. The problem is that he comes off as.. Holier-than-thou. He's an Elder God in his own mind. He doesn't really have the ability to listen to other viewpoints without dismissing them immediately. He has a streak of self-entitlement and self-righteousness that hinders his own actions for good, and he seems too quick to jump to violence for my tastes. I wouldn't say so much as 'holier than thou' anymore, he means that his way is the most realistic/practical long-run, and likely to work in bringing a world of peace without barbarians to disrupt it since they're no longer there. All other methods from what I have seen have failed but I wish they could work. Better translated what he basically says for others is: "Show me where Armadyl and Seren's approaches to the world I envision has ever worked long-term without them being overrun by a more aggressive force in the end. I respect their vision, but their methods will not work ultimately in the end because all I've ever seen is those societies collapsing and failing." I didn't say he WAS all Holier-than-thou, I said he comes off as it.
and what you say is true, but Armadyl nor Seren have never had the chance to create a long-lasting peace without somebody coming along and screwing it up in ways beyond their control. Sardomin has fared no better. I mean look at all the destruction of the God Wars? And this guy is supposed to be protecting us? A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

01-Sep-2017 16:13:34

Hazeel

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Padomenes said :
I wouldn't say so much as 'holier than thou' anymore, he means that his way is the most realistic/practical long-run, and likely to work in bringing a world of peace without barbarians to disrupt it since they're no longer there.

And he thinks he's the only living being worthy of running the "peaceful world". He's an egomaniac...like all the Gods. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Sep-2017 18:36:46

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Summerleaf

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Sepulchre said :

Seren is a nice goddess. She genuinely cares for all her followers, and has deep emotional ties with any she sees as a friend. Her main problem is that she's prone to... psychosis? She nearly killed us, and the Mahjarrat, and Zamorak on Freneskae, her split self nearly shook Prifddinas apart when we mention Sliske or Zamorak. Also, remember the Dark Lord? Yeah I'll not take my chances there.

Not psychosis. I'd say diagnosis of type of anxiety disorder along with an emotional disorder, both with very specific triggers. They're both comorbid in alot of places, so it would make sense.

01-Sep-2017 18:42:49

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Jaekob Caed

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I'd say go with Seren. My character worships no god known on Gielinor (in my personal roleplaying, he worships the same God I worship IRL, as I am a Christian) but he is allied with Seren, Armadyl and Saradomin to help bring peace to Gielinor. His alliance with Saradomin and Armadyl is only when necessary, whereas his alliance with Seren is in nearly everything because as far as values go, I'd say Seren aligns most with the Bible's description of God's attributes. That being said, as people have stated, none of the RS gods are perfect and all have dark parts to them, but Seren is certainly the purest. Armadyl isn't too bad, he's better than Saradomin. But even then, Saradomin isn't as bad as people put him out to be. Yes, he has a bit of a temper and an ego but his intentions are noble. He's more the light-aligned Machiavellian god on RS whereas Zaros is the more dark-aligned Machiavellian god.

So while it's up to you, I'd go with Seren if you value forgiveness, life and compassion. ~

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02-Sep-2017 08:45:27

Padomenes

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Sepulchre said :
I didn't say he WAS all Holier-than-thou, I said he comes off as it.
and what you say is true, but Armadyl nor Seren have never had the chance to create a long-lasting peace without somebody coming along and screwing it up in ways beyond their control. Sardomin has fared no better. I mean look at all the destruction of the God Wars? And this guy is supposed to be protecting us? In the dialogue Saradomin says that his seen the countless rise/fall of many civilizations, and that when his seen their collapse it was always very tragic to witness.

He then goes on to explain that the reason he makes decisions the way he does is because from what his experienced, they are the only way/path to 'pragmatically' preserve a peaceful society from being overrun by a more aggressive/evil one but wished there was another way and 'unfortunately there isn't sometimes'.

Jaekob Caed said :
He's more the light-aligned Machiavellian god on RS whereas Zaros is the more dark-aligned Machiavellian god.

So while it's up to you, I'd go with Seren if you value forgiveness, life and compassion. Saradomin's philosophy is that people can be free to live a virtuous life as good people, if the sources of disharmony that punish the behavior or make you have to dirty your hands are first and foremost eliminated before they can do anything. In his way of running or creating such a society, the point would having a Seren-like civilization expanding but at the same time eliminating any potential 'barbarians' who might try to take your mercy aspect as a 'weakness' to use against you. Would you still call this Machiavellian or not? Just saying.

Its about creating a world where its safe to be truely good, peaceful/harmonious or virtuous long-term. With absolutely no risk of disharmony/predatory minded people ever disrupting that or destroying it in core values. "Nice people always finish first" is Saradomin's goal.

02-Sep-2017 10:05:08 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2017 10:12:02 by Padomenes

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