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Ancient Drew

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Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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28-Aug-2017 23:17:39

Padomenes

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Ancient Drew said :
Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws. Yes genocide requires the intention to carry it out otherwise by official standards it's not classified as such. Bandos drove the Skavids to near extinction simply by invading/waging war despite wanting to keep them to use.

Here's why I 'follow' Saradomin. People theorize that Zaros's empire was 'lawful' and had predatorial behavior allowed/encouraged including competition between individuals, while Saradomin's did not allow it under any circumstances because it was immoral and likely banned it. Although it was poorer financially compared to Zaros's there was more security and happiness + relatively laid-back.

This is according to current sources but we will have to look into it to clarify.

28-Aug-2017 23:26:46 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 00:35:51 by Padomenes

Hazeel

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Ancient Drew said :
Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws.

I think he was referring to the other race on New Domina. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

29-Aug-2017 00:31:41

Padomenes

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Yes when you try to set up a colony somewhere on a new continent and it gets attacked without provocation; that doesn't classify as an act of 'genocide' to neutralise the attacking colonies for the sake of security/safety in order to stop more people being killed.

If I set up a colony and it was attacked by a cannibalistic tribe that was outright remorseless, hostile I would counter-attack and subdue them or neutralise. The intention would not be genocide but depending on how often it must be carried out and repeated, this could lead to eventual extinction in itself if all/most of them did that.

Similarly to how hunting can drive entire species' extinct.

29-Aug-2017 00:37:01 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 00:40:53 by Padomenes

Hguoh

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Padomenes said :
At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws. Genocide requires the intention to carry it out otherwise by official standards it's not classified as such. Bandos drove the Skavids to near extinction simply by invading/waging war despite wanting to keep them to use.[/quote]

That's Bandos we're talking about. You know, mister endless war for the sake of war, kill and conquer king, he who encourages self-destructive military tactics provided the enemy loses more, the guy who encouraged an entire planet of beings to wage war until into their planet was uninhabitable, sir screw my people and everybody else on my planet so I can be a god. That guy.

If he managed to not accidentally kill off an entire race in his attempt to subdue them, what does that say about the possibility of Saradomin doing precisely that?

29-Aug-2017 00:44:31

CD_Paladin_C

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Ancient Drew said :
Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws.

You know he wiped out one of the 2 species on the Icyene homeworld right? Him and the Saras were basically running around killing babies to make sure that happened. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
-The Lore Community to our Saradominist Friends, Said During World Event 2, Proven During World Event 3.
#StopSaradomin

29-Aug-2017 00:58:30

Hguoh

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Padomenes said :
Similarly to how hunting can drive entire species' extinct.

Hunt: to pursue and kill for sport or food
Pursue: to follow someone or something in order to catch or attack them

Padomenes said :
Yes genocide requires the intention to carry it out

You do realize that hunting, by definition, requires intent to kill the hunted, right?

Consider the definition of genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Nowhere in that does it specify that the intent has to be the complete elimination of all of the large group of people. just that the large group of people is being intentionally killed because of their shared background.

Hunting generally wouldn't fall into the definition of genocide since the hunted typically aren't considered people (by measure of species or sapience). But we know that the other race on Dominaria was sapient.

What Saradomin and the Icyene did to them WAS A GENOCIDE . There is no question on that front. You can argue whether or not the genocide was necessary or justified (ex: if smallpox was sapient we'd still have good reason to commit a genocide on it since it had a real good chance of killing any human it came across regardless of whether it would intend to do so or not), but you cannot deny that IT WAS A GENOCIDE.

29-Aug-2017 01:00:40 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 01:07:09 by Hguoh

Padomenes

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CD_Paladin_C said :
Ancient Drew said :
Genocide is probably the wrong word to describe when Saradomin kills someone, but there's no denying he does have a temper at times, or acts in a rush. Which is why I myself went with Zaros who takes his time and calculates.

At the end of the day though, all gods have their merits and flaws. Him and the Saras were basically running around killing babies to make sure that happened. No evidence to say so, other way around if they did not fight back. Icyene would have been exterminated instead and overrun by a more aggressive tribe. You are simply a cuck who says its better to 'turn the other cheek', always wondered what the Cs between your username stand for and it exactly means that. Who would've thought?

I believe we should never 'turn the other cheek' and it is the most cancerous thing that exists, every reference to it needs to be removed and I never do it myself irl in a single occasion. It's the same situation if you face a bully at school, you free yourself from the predatorial by beating them up.

What about the extinction of Bandos's races by the other gods then during the wars that were not Saradomin?

Hguoh said :
What Saradomin and the Icyene did to them WAS A GENOCIDE . There is no question on that front. You can argue whether or not the genocide was necessary or justified (ex: if smallpox was sapient we'd still have good reason to commit a genocide on it since it had a real good chance of killing any human it came across regardless of whether it would intend to do so or not), but you cannot deny that IT WAS A GENOCIDE. Not according to the official worldwide definition, if you nuke an area during a war and it kills all its inhabitants its not a genocide because the intention/end goal is not to 'wipe out an entire' race but the means result anyway.

Humans culled predatory species all the time.

29-Aug-2017 01:24:57 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 02:45:21 by Padomenes

Hguoh

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I can't help but notice that you left off that definition since I actually included it in my post:

Consider the definition of genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation

As I pointed out in the post you quoted, and will do so again now, nothing about the definition states that you must be intent on killing off all memebers of the large group in question (that's why, despite some Native Americans being left alive, the Native American genocide is still considered a genocide). Rather, you need only to be killing members of that large group because they are members of that large group.

I'll say it again, you don't need to intend to kill every last member of a group off for it to be considered genocide. You need only to intend to kill a large chunk of them.

Your culling of predatory species example is not a genocide, but that's not for lack intent to kill specific groups. It's not generally genocide for the same reason hunting isn't generally genocide: the things being culled aren't considered people because they aren't human and aren't usually sapient (which,again, the other Dominatian species was).

But you aren't too far off from actually making a good point. If humans ever encounter a species that preyed upon us that was sapient, you'd have a pretty good case for committing a genocide of some degree on that species because of the threat to human life they pose. Not everyone would agree with your case, but it's better than trying to deny such a thing ever happened when it so obviously did.

29-Aug-2017 10:32:47 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2017 13:37:12 by Hguoh

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