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Quael
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Or follow no God, Heard of Guthix?

Serious note, if you want a god to follow here's my view on them.

Saradomin: He claims to be the a peaceful god. As Zaros once said, He sees everything in gray and black, never a more positive side. He's a bit too "demanding" and hypercritical, He also has a brutal way of dealing with things, for example, Garlandia (won't spoil much, u can look into it if you want.) But he does meoan good to Gielinor, even though he claims he is the only "true god." Saradomin is a god person to follow if you want an interpretation of a realistic religion, or an idea of a "good guy follows a god who is a good god"

Armadyl: A pretty cool God, while he is hypercritical, he is a god that sees Gielinor has a world for all mortal and Gods, a sort of council thing. He is one that prefers law and order despite killing Bandos before the god did anything, and holds a grudge against Zamorak, and now Zaros after learning what he did to the Aviansie as well. So if you want a god who is of law and justice, and a some what heroic view, sure.

Seren: She has different view, of course she agrees that the world shouldn't belong to the gods, but state she will remain until she solves the elder gods problem. She only cares about her followers/elves. But she is powerful and resourceful also. So if you want a god that hides and stays away from conflicts, here's one. She is another peaceful god, of course more forgiving to some, but also more in love with almost anything.
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26-Aug-2017 18:08:29

Padomenes

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Quael said :
Or follow no God, Heard of Guthix?

Serious note, if you want a god to follow here's my view on them.

Saradomin: He claims to be the a peaceful god. As Zaros once said, He sees everything in gray and black, never a more positive side. He's a bit too "demanding" and hypercritical, He also has a brutal way of dealing with things, for example, Garlandia (won't spoil much, u can look into it if you want.) But he does meoan good to Gielinor, even though he claims he is the only "true god." Saradomin is a god person to follow if you want an interpretation of a realistic religion, or an idea of a "good guy follows a god who is a good god". Saradomin is about choosing whatever is the most 'realistic/necessary' path in the approach to good, even if its harsh(He himself dislikes it) while Armadyl would like to experiment with different approaches but which Saradomin has already seen probably in his lifetime.

At the same time it was a life-death situation, but I think in certain situations which we ourselves have never experienced thus cannot comprehend here ourselves Saradomin's outlook that some find harsh really would make sense/apply.

If you have watched the movie "Demolition Man" the peaceful society did not kill off the violent criminals and froze them alive, but when they woke up they were totally unprepared to deal with the evil that had awakened. That was a consequence because they were unwilling to use more questionable means to deal with them.

Saradomin's outlook is when you are facing a more aggressive foe, they will overrun and hurt/kill all of the innocent if not dealt with plus can take advantage of your 'mercy' aspect to hurt you even more. Think of a scenario like Attack on Titan, you have an enormous wall around protecting the citizens from the terrifying predators on the outside and those whom have dedicated to fighting those predators to keep the innocent safe.

26-Aug-2017 18:58:05 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2017 19:06:59 by Padomenes

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With the 'Attack on Titan' analogy in metaphor think of the individuals that want to implement a 'survival of the fittest' lifestyle which would root out the 'innocent/virtuous' as the 'titans'. Replace the 'titans' with those types of individuals.

Saradomin would be in favor of creating a wall to protect all of the innocent/virtuous from exposure to them, with himself and troops as the force that must protect the innocent/virtuous at all costs from that cruelty then eventually eliminate evil, claiming or reclaiming the world for the innocent/virtuous once its safe for them.

Achieve a world where the innocent/virtuous can live in eternal harmony/security without being weeded out, that is a Saradominist end-goal and not just limited to one enclosed society. Make the world a safe place for good people by removing what makes it unsafe for them.

The forces of good must first act to defeat/weed out evil in the battle between the two. Otherwise it becomes impossible or extremely difficult to build a society that benefits the good so for details on Saradomin's beliefs.

26-Aug-2017 19:12:29 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2017 19:25:12 by Padomenes

BabyBop
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Padomenes said :
Quael said :

If you have watched the movie "Demolition Man" the peaceful society did not kill off the violent criminals and froze them alive, but when they woke up they were totally unprepared to deal with the evil that had awakened. That was a consequence because they were unwilling to use more questionable means to deal with them.

Saradomin's outlook is when you are facing a more aggressive foe, they will overrun and hurt/kill all of the innocent if not dealt with plus can take advantage of your 'mercy' aspect to hurt you even more.

I am okay with war and fighting when necessary (because obviously the other sides are not all going to be in favor of peace), and I like that Saradomin is a strong leader, even though he is arrogant. What I don't like about him is how he deals with individuals. What he did to Garlandia for disagreeing with him. If that is how he treats his own followers, I don't know if I want anything to do with him. That being said, the whole templar/paladin thing is pretty cool, and I realllyyyy like RP-ing as a Saradominist.

As for your real-life theory, well, I personally disagree with it and I'm not really here to debate it. I just want to know which god is closest to my real-life views. I am not a pacifist, but I don't believe in violence against anyone who is helpless/can't fight back.

26-Aug-2017 20:13:09

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Summerleaf said :
Padomenes said :
The peaceful society did not put down the violent criminals,

Because the Naragi and Garlandia were violent criminals Something that happened so long ago, plus the extinction was caused by the other gods long after he was kicked out. Forgetting the Naragi that fought for or joined Saradomin when he arrived plus give any example of 'mass exterminations' carried out in the last couple thousands years solely for people not worshiping. See how ultra-judgmental and unforgiving you are yourself?

I'm pretty sure that they will be adding flaws to your factions soon, so you can count on that. Also to tell you what was done to Garlandia was not out of anger or emotion but pure conscious logic, there was no other option and desperate times called for desperate measures. As a way of showing "This here is exactly what those creatures will do to everyone, I will demonstrate it for you to see here so you can take the threat we face seriously by experiencing it first hand."

What do you think would have exactly happened to the Icyene if Garlandia had things exactly her way, and the aggressive species wiped out all of them?

Garlandia has the same logic of the people that get conquered or massacred every single time by a more aggressive external force in history when having to deal with them. Did you know killing those that wanted to retreat, or refused to fight and wanting to surrender to the enemy on sight(desertion) has not been an uncommon practice in 'human societies' during major wars in countless examples? Especially when there is high risk of being conquered? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yOBCGwMpeo

Like I said, you cannot understand how it feels when a more aggressive enemy is close to or has a high risk of conquering you if not dealt with in a 'harsh' manner along with the enablers.

26-Aug-2017 20:31:26 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2017 21:01:51 by Padomenes

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BabyBop said :
What he did to Garlandia for disagreeing with him. If that is how he treats his own followers, I don't know if I want anything to do with him. That being said, the whole templar/paladin thing is pretty cool, and I realllyyyy like RP-ing as a Saradominist.

As for your real-life theory, well, I personally disagree with it and I'm not really here to debate it. I just want to know which god is closest to my real-life views. I am not a pacifist, but I don't believe in violence against anyone who is helpless/can't fight back. What about "From each according to his ability, to each according to their need." ?

It wasn't merely for 'disagreeing' with him, the war that was going on was an extreme, critical emergency that could determine the utter extinction or survival of the icyene. She was suggesting inaction and a 'diplomatic' approach to a race of beings that could not be reasoned with nor talk. To inspire everybody to 'lay down arms' and stop fighting them entirely, and 'turn the other cheek'.

Nothing Saradomin did to 'Garlandia' involved any detail, only the big picture in mind. It was a demonstration or reenactment of "This is what these species will do to you if we don't fight. You see right here, that is how they kill you. Now we must fight or you will all end up like this, its important it doesn't come to this way."

If you don't take a 'Saradomin' logic into account when developing a society based on good/peace and instead Garlandia's, it is going to be conquered by a more aggressive society that hasn't been dealt with yet. That's what history shows both from what Saradomin has seen and also how it works irl.

There are many examples of humans irl executing those that tried to retreat or desert when they were called up to fight in an extremely important war that would determine their own society's fate. Sometimes done publicly, like being blindfolded and tied to a chair, shot.

26-Aug-2017 20:34:56 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2017 21:07:02 by Padomenes

Derack
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Ladies and Gentleman.

I present to you.... Padomenes.

The guy that has to post on everything that paints Saradoughman in a small slight shade of grey, and who has to defend him with Irl stuff. No matter how civil the discussion is.


"Demolition Man"

Heh, now thats a movie i havend seen for a long time ago. Thanks for bringing it up, forgot the name of it.
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26-Aug-2017 21:08:32

Padomenes

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Derack said :
Ladies and Gentleman.

I present to you.... Padomenes.

The guy that has to post on everything that paints Saradoughman in a small slight shade of grey, and who has to defend him with Irl stuff. No matter how civil the discussion is.


"Demolition Man"

Heh, now thats a movie i havend seen for a long time ago. Thanks for bringing it up, forgot the name of it. Only from your interpretation, I'm pretty sure humans in the god wars also practiced that to some degree.

Nope some of you want to use certain parts to paint him in a shade of 'complete black', and I'm just preventing that by elaborating. Though I'm not saying the people here were, but others could very well use it.

The reality is in any situation, this is a universal law. If you are not willing to use questionable means to wipe out a more aggressive society/enemy attacking you, that you will be conquered and possibly on some occasions outright massacred after that.

If you read it says Saradomin has seen the countless rise/fall of civilizations and he knows how to stop it.

Take a guess what would have happened to the Icyene if they all listened to Garlandia.

That was a movie so it doesn't count exactly as a 'irl' example but the points still stand, it is what Saradomin thinks a society centered on Seren/Armadyl's values purely might end up as. If you do not deal with the threat of those with barbaric mindsets and weed them out, they will weed you out.

The reality of life anywhere is kill or be killed when it comes to dealing with aggressive mindset individuals that will take every single 'mercy' from you as a weakness to exploit, and bring about your downfall. Saradomin saw this led to the downfall of civilizations in his dialogue countless times.

According to sources Saradomin wants to be a force that checks around basically, and only steps in quickly to take out anybody that may pose a potential danger to world peace.

26-Aug-2017 21:39:49 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2017 21:53:50 by Padomenes

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