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Padomenes said :
Hmm have you tried killing Armadyl or Zamorak's followers right now infront of them and seen the reaction?

Armadyl, no, but I did see Zamorak leap to defend his followers when he thought Zaros was gonna kill them in Children of Mah

04-Sep-2017 00:26:51

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Hazeel said :
Armadyl is basically another Saradomin. Says he's for peace, but is incredibly brutal and throws his followers away like trash. Seren is the most peaceful, but has a bit of a dark history as well. She tricked the Mahjarrat into killing each other so they could keep an evil monster (avoiding too many spoilers) alive. This also made the Mahjarrat a much more violent species. She treats her own followers with a lot more care though and seems to be avoiding large scale wars personally.

Armadyl left in a self-imposed exile as punishment for the loss of the Aviansie. He believed they had all died in the God Wars, and so could not stand remaining on Gielinor. He was completely and almost irrevocably emotionally damaged. Literally the only thing that brought him back to Gielinor was that Aviansie survivors had been found. If the Aviansie had truly died, we would never have seen him again. It's disingenuous to say he threw his followers away like trash when he was so emotionally invested in them.

You're right with how Seren treats her current followers, but keep in mind the relationship between the "evil monster," Seren, and what Seren represents. You accuse Seren of tricking the Mahjarrat to keep the monster alive, but the monster was the whole reason for the planet even still existing. If the monster died, so did everyone else. The Mahjarrat needed the monster, and the monster needed the Mahjarrat. Seren chose the lesser of two evils, and kept the planet together. Calling the monster evil isn't fair either, considering what the monster was and its history., and consequently, it's mental state. Considering all of this, is it really fair to fully lay the blame on Seren for what happened? They were the lost. They were the forgotten. Now they have returned.

11-Nov-2017 00:55:14

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Raleirosen said :
since this thread has been necromanced...

I think Saradomin is bad because he's Hitler


Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

11-Nov-2017 17:28:42

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I think as long as oldfarts won't learn to adapt to the eternal flow of newcomers, nothing will progress outta it. I'm sure most of the commentors have been here for even years, yet still depating what they deem best choice - why can't you guys learn the fact new people will always come being noobs, in need for guidance?

21-Nov-2017 21:19:14

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Personally if your looking for a "good" god, stop. The whole point of the faction system is to say no faction is truly one note good or evil.

There isn't one. Saradomin is wrathful and at times downright spiteful and petty. When a Saradominist tries to convert you to Saradominism they aren't asking, they're telling you that you are now going to follow him, or they'll kill you.

Armadyl is naive and short sighted, rarely seeing the consequences of his actions. He's liable to repeat the mistakes he made during the third era without learning anything. However he is withdrawn and does not give commands to his followers, of recent that has translated to "goodness" from most people, but it really means nothing just that he's inactive. Probably ultimately doomed.

Seren is if I were forced to choose from these three my choice however she inflicts terrible curses upon her followers even if she is trying to "help" them. She means well but often inflicts great pain for the sake of protecting those she deems worthy of being protected regardless of if the person being protected is worth protecting or the costs and suffering others will endure for her actions.

03-Apr-2018 14:58:50

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@Svigris:

Out of your views regarding the gods, I find Saradomin's to be the only accurate one. (Though not comprehensive.)

To say that Armadyl does not see the consequences of his actions as of the Sixth Age is a bit blind and contradictory. The Bird & The Beast itself was already a sign that there's nothing "inactive" about the renewed Armadyl - nor are his past mistakes repeated. Hell, in moving away from those mistakes, he gets called a hypocrite.

Either way, if you speak to him after Missing, Presumed Death he outlines what he's learned and how he thinks of himself after TB&B. Mainly that he is a hypocrite (in the sense of gunning for the SoJ but probably also in the sense of striking down Bandos) and that if it comes down to it, he has learned to minimize casualties to his followers and is willing to step up - and even sacrifice himself - if things become dire.

Then there's the dialogue from Sliske's Endgame. Both from others and Armadyl himself - the idea that Armadyl is "naive" and "unrecognizing of his own fault" in the Aviansie massacre came from Saradomin's own mouth - and it contradicts Armadyl's own statements.

Now, as far as Seren goes - you imply she has 'cursed' her followers more than once. And even then, the toxic 'gift' of longevity was an accident made possible through self-delusion - poisoned by the curse of undying admiration granted to her.

Frankly, there was no way whatsoever she could have known that specific part of her would curse the Elves into addicts. In fact, she completely believed that the Elves were free in their love of her until the curse took effect.

As for the Mahjarrat, that is one other big and dire slip that does support your claim. Both in preserving Mah and in preserving her Dreams with the Ritual of Enervation when Mah had her earth-shattering tantrums. (Though the Mahjarrat are definitely not worshipers.)

In either case, much like Armadyl, she vows she has learned from both mistakes. We'll see.

04-Apr-2018 06:18:04

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