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Lions RAWR
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Maybe this was answered somewhere, but:

Why was their an alarm, that could be heard by everyone, at the spot of Guthix final resting spot?

How did he choose that spot out of many possible locations?

Did Guthix know he was going to die and by who? ( Would be nice to read about him planning this from the start).
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10-Nov-2016 02:44:35

Hazeel

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Lego Miester said :
- Before we entered the room and Sliske kills Guthix, did they talk? There's been a long running conspiracy that Sliske is an "anti world guardian" archetype on purpose, having received similar powers as you. Why else, even with two artifacts, isn't he a god yet?


-The staff alone doesn't make you a God.

-Sliske hasn't used the stone.

-Lucien actually USED the stone and had the staff and he didn't become a God.

-I think the fact that every other ascended God used melee and had a rod to connect them to their slain God is important. This would explain why Zamorak, an established mage, went out of his way to use the staff as a melee weapon.
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10-Nov-2016 03:10:13 - Last edited on 10-Nov-2016 03:10:39 by Hazeel

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I'd be wary of expanding Guthix too much. Part of what makes TWW so good, and his death so poignant and affecting, is how masterfully and succinctly Guthix gets to summarize what he's about, what has driven him, his goals and how they were shaped. The interaction is brief, but so powerful that any expansion on it carries serious risk of cheapening Guthix as a character, or diminishing the monolithic stature he has in lore (as, unfortunately, happened with The Light Within).

I think the original memories of Guthix, transient and half-finished thoughts over the span of his existence, provided the perfect amount of lore to flesh him out. We don't know every detail, every moment of Guthix's life - and we shouldn't , unless the story calls for it.

With this is mind, I would say either go VERY narrow, or VERY broad. Perhaps focus all the memories on a particular incident. Say, Guthix's first meeting with the fairies, or his exploration of the Dwarven homeworld. Something highly focused that could give you opportunity to drop hints of completely unexplored (non-Guthix-related) lore, to potentially examine further down the line.

The other side is to make big, broad statements about the multiverse in general. Things gleaned from the Stone of Jas that might be interesting, but likely won't have any immediate relevance. Planar theory stuff.

Either way, what you should not do is answer every single one of our Guthixian queries, or turn this into memoriam crystals mk III. The tales we imagine will always be richer and more expansive than the ones we read. Don't rob yourself of this advantage if it won't serve the narrative. Making a discovery is far more satisfying than opening a gift.

10-Nov-2016 07:59:35

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Lions RAWR said :
Why was their an alarm, that could be heard by everyone, at the spot of Guthix final resting spot?


As explained by Sliske, the alarm was transmitted to every druidic circle by the sword of edicts, which should have limited the message to Guthix's followers. The issue, of course, is that the Dark Wizards south of Varrock happen to be taking residence in one such circle.

The Dark Wizards then let Zemouregal know of the alarm.
And the other gods, having been observing the world and seeing what was now happening, spoke to their generals in the GWD and told them what was happening.

10-Nov-2016 15:58:59

Wahisietel
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Hazeel said :

-I think the fact that every other ascended God used melee and had a rod to connect them to their slain God is important. This would explain why Zamorak, an established mage, went out of his way to use the staff as a melee weapon.


We know that Zamorak was a warrior before he ascended, he favoured melee, which is probably why he wanted to stab Zaros with it.
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10-Nov-2016 16:01:51

SonofZeruiah
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If more Guthix lore is to be added, I'd like to know more about:

*the origin of the guardians of Guthix

*Guthix's first meeting with Saradomin post his ascension to godhood

*Guthix's banishment of the different deities at the end of the Gods War

*why Guthix provided easy access to magic and powers beyond normal mortals when he hates gods

*How Guthix handled learning he could no longer join his wife and child in death

*Why Guthix did not banish certain gods

*What the druids and other worshippers of Guthix are doing today in the sixth age

10-Nov-2016 16:07:15

Hazeel

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Wahisietel said :
Hazeel said :

-I think the fact that every other ascended God used melee and had a rod to connect them to their slain God is important. This would explain why Zamorak, an established mage, went out of his way to use the staff as a melee weapon.


We know that Zamorak was a warrior before he ascended, he favoured melee, which is probably why he wanted to stab Zaros with it.


Even though every depiction of him is a mage, his weapon of choice before getting the SoA was still a mage's staff, and the only time we'd seen him use melee was specifically when he wanted to poison someone. When readying to actually fight in Twice Burnt, he was preparing a magical attack.

If you wanna throw the Empty Throne in there too, he was literally blasting everyone else until Zaros came around.

The only time he came across as a warrior was in the God Letters.
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10-Nov-2016 16:32:33

Lord Drakan
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Hazeel said :
Wahisietel said :
Hazeel said :

-I think the fact that every other ascended God used melee and had a rod to connect them to their slain God is important. This would explain why Zamorak, an established mage, went out of his way to use the staff as a melee weapon.


We know that Zamorak was a warrior before he ascended, he favoured melee, which is probably why he wanted to stab Zaros with it.


Even though every depiction of him is a mage, his weapon of choice before getting the SoA was still a mage's staff, and the only time we'd seen him use melee was specifically when he wanted to poison someone. When readying to actually fight in Twice Burnt, he was preparing a magical attack.

If you wanna throw the Empty Throne in there too, he was literally blasting everyone else until Zaros came around.

The only time he came across as a warrior was in the God Letters.

If he were a mage, he'd've used the staff properly. It's firmly established that Zamorak is a warrior (sure, he can do powerful magic, being a Mahjarrat, but he is considerably more proficient at melee, not unlike Khazard). He would've used magic against Char, for instance, since close combat with a huge fire monster isn't exactly a brilliant idea.

This makes him the opposite of Lucien, who is a very powerful sorcerer but can barely hold a sword.

Statues usually depict Zamorak as a hooded man with a walking stick, so that isn't much to go by. Rennard explicitly says Zamorak is a warrior. Kharrim says he had an interest in weaponry. Dhalak theorises that Zamorak favoured Viggora (a mighty warrior) because they shared some qualities. Viggora himself also calls him a warrior.

It's all there.
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10-Nov-2016 16:57:49

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